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New partnership, I didn't know how 2♠ would be interpreted, how would you start?
Now that I have got myself in this mess, what now?
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Posted 2012-December-22, 11:33
New partnership, I didn't know how 2♠ would be interpreted, how would you start?
Now that I have got myself in this mess, what now?
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Posted 2012-December-22, 11:37
If partner really has the heart suit he says he has, 4♥x seems like a reasonable place to play.
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Posted 2012-December-22, 11:42
Bbradley62, on 2012-December-22, 11:37, said:
If partner really has the heart suit he says he has, 4♥x seems like a reasonable place to play.
You're going to play in 4?
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Posted 2012-December-22, 12:09
jillybean, on 2012-December-22, 11:33, said:
New partnership, I didn't know how 2♠ would be interpreted, how would you start?
Are there a lot of meanings, without discussion, apart from natural and game forcing? In any case, I can't say I agree with a non-forcing 1♠ bid!
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Posted 2012-December-22, 12:18
Vampyr, on 2012-December-22, 12:09, said:
Are there a lot of meanings, without discussion, apart from natural and game forcing? In any case, I can't say I agree with a non-forcing 1♠ bid!
Ah, you haven't played on BBO very often! but now that we are here, I am interested in what
you would do now.
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Posted 2012-December-22, 12:21
jillybean, on 2012-December-22, 11:42, said:
You're going to play in 4?
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Posted 2012-December-22, 12:33
jillybean, on 2012-December-22, 11:42, said:
You're going to play in 4?
It's too late to play in fewer. With a little luck there will be only three losers in the trump suit.
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Posted 2012-December-22, 12:59
Somewhere between 1♠ and 4♥x, I develop a deep trust for partner...and Pass.
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Posted 2012-December-22, 13:00
Jilly wants to be in a slam. 
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Posted 2012-December-22, 13:10
Reading my auction has put me on tilt.
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Posted 2012-December-22, 14:53
PhilKing, on 2012-December-22, 13:10, said:
Reading my auction has put me on tilt.
So you rewind?
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.
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Posted 2012-December-22, 19:03
I pass 4H and expect to make.
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Posted 2012-December-22, 19:21
Who do you trust most? Partner or RHO? Not partner - after all we didn't trust them enough to understand 2♠. But maybe they both have their call. RHO appears to believe he has four tricks versus 4♥, and I certainly have no reason to doubt him holding such massive trump support.
Maybe pard has Kxx QJ9xxxx xx x. After all, he knows we have a great hand but do not have five spades. Surely if he trusts us, a jump to 4♥ is reasonable, if not gilt-edged.
I bid 4♠, not because I don't trust partner, but because I have made a pigs ear of the auction and it's my job to fix it. Fortunately RHO has tipped his hand, so I hope for a useful card in partner's hand. And since I cound conceivably make a grand slam, yet go off in game if I put this abomination on the table, I vote for action. I could well be wrong, but the argument that partner has good trumps, knows what he is doing, and my aces and kings will help him wrap up an easy doubled game just does not wash!
Maybe pard has Kxx QJ9xxxx xx x. After all, he knows we have a great hand but do not have five spades. Surely if he trusts us, a jump to 4♥ is reasonable, if not gilt-edged.
I bid 4♠, not because I don't trust partner, but because I have made a pigs ear of the auction and it's my job to fix it. Fortunately RHO has tipped his hand, so I hope for a useful card in partner's hand. And since I cound conceivably make a grand slam, yet go off in game if I put this abomination on the table, I vote for action. I could well be wrong, but the argument that partner has good trumps, knows what he is doing, and my aces and kings will help him wrap up an easy doubled game just does not wash!
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Posted 2012-December-22, 20:35
after 1♥,I will reverse bid ♠ for twice,don't rebid 1♠.
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Posted 2012-December-22, 23:36
1♠ is bad. I've been playing with too many pickups where a jump is passed.
If you bid 2♠ partner will still bid 4♥
Blackshoe is right, I do want to be in slam.
If you bid 2♠ partner will still bid 4♥
Blackshoe is right, I do want to be in slam.
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Posted 2012-December-22, 23:53
jillybean, on 2012-December-22, 23:36, said:
1♠ is bad. I've been playing with too many pickups where a jump is passed.
Then it sounds as if you are developing very bad habits, like here choosing a bid that actually can be passed. Don't play with strangers.
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Posted 2012-December-23, 00:18
For me 1S is forcing and 2S would have been a mini splinter. This is common in my part of the world. Playing a style where I open this hand 1C, I would bid 1S. I trust my partner rather than the opponents; this is a philosophy that has served me well over the years.
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Posted 2012-December-23, 00:41
Partner has not been persistent.
Partner's 4H call was a consequence of my 3D call. Partner chose 4H, perhaps by a process of eliminating
other bids I might have made (e.g. I could have rebid 4S on my actual hand at my 1st or 2nd call). From partner's
trusting (i.e. trusting me) frame of reference, 3D probably implies a top heart, perhaps a bare ace or king.
Because I trust partner, I would bid 4S now. I have broken the first of the three essential rules of bidding
("bid your hand"), got lucky because RHO has tipped me off that my partner is trusting my bidding
which has been wildly inaccurate, and thus I can bid 4S. Partner might be a bit perplexed by 4S now (why not
4S earlier?). Another possible call is 4NT (to play) but partner will probably not interpret 4NT thus.
Partner's 4H call was a consequence of my 3D call. Partner chose 4H, perhaps by a process of eliminating
other bids I might have made (e.g. I could have rebid 4S on my actual hand at my 1st or 2nd call). From partner's
trusting (i.e. trusting me) frame of reference, 3D probably implies a top heart, perhaps a bare ace or king.
Because I trust partner, I would bid 4S now. I have broken the first of the three essential rules of bidding
("bid your hand"), got lucky because RHO has tipped me off that my partner is trusting my bidding
which has been wildly inaccurate, and thus I can bid 4S. Partner might be a bit perplexed by 4S now (why not
4S earlier?). Another possible call is 4NT (to play) but partner will probably not interpret 4NT thus.
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Posted 2012-December-23, 01:02
I will remember to check for the Laos/Aussie flag.
Do you have a forcing opening for this, I see some did open 2C but I don't like that with a 2 suiter.
Partner held J4,AT85432,875,K, 6♣ makes when RHO doubles and spades split 3-3 (986,KT5)
Do you have a forcing opening for this, I see some did open 2C but I don't like that with a 2 suiter.
Partner held J4,AT85432,875,K, 6♣ makes when RHO doubles and spades split 3-3 (986,KT5)
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Posted 2012-December-23, 01:08
jillybean, on 2012-December-23, 01:02, said:
I will remember to check for the Laos/Aussie flag.
Do you have a forcing opening for this, I see some did open 2C but I don't like that with a 2 suiter.
Do you have a forcing opening for this, I see some did open 2C but I don't like that with a 2 suiter.
I fully understand on bbo forums they hate to open 2c with the vast majority of two suiters
I will risk 2c on this one.
and pass 4h if bidding goes:
2c=2d
3c=3h
3s=4h (x)
pass given OP.