[jillybean]

4♣/4♦ is the easy part, but how does responder bid with slam interest?

I've read a little on Bridge Hands about the follow ups http://www.bridgehan...m/N/NAMYATS.htm
but I am interested in what bbf'ers do.

[Phil]

I thought after reading the forums you'd buy into:

3N = 8 - 8 1/2 tricks in a major
4m = natural

While this isn't technically legal, at some point it will be.

[blackshoe]

It's legal if the major is a solid suit.

[Phil]

However, if you want to play Namyats, you can play one of the following:

Option 1:

After 4♣ -

4♦ - you play it
4N (or 4♠ if you are kickbacking) = RKC
Other calls - cues

After 4♣ - 4♦ - 4♥

New suits are asking bids. I have no idea what 4N is, but I suppose it could be regular blackwood???

Option 2:

4♣ - 4♦ is Last Train

[Phil]

 blackshoe, on 2012-December-19, 09:56, said:

It's legal if the major is a solid suit.

Which also reduces its frequency and effectiveness.

[blackshoe]

Of course.

[jillybean]

 Phil, on 2012-December-19, 09:54, said:

While this isn't technically legal, at some point it will be.

After the stink I raise about players not following the laws I sure as heck aren't going to knowingly violate any.

[hrothgar]

Preempts from A to Z by Zenkel and Anderson has a good write up

[aguahombre]

 Phil, on 2012-December-19, 09:57, said:

Option 1:

After 4♣ -

4♦ - you play it
4N (or 4♠ if you are kickbacking) = RKC
Other calls - cues

After 4♣ - 4♦ - 4♥

New suits are asking bids. I have no idea what 4N is, but I suppose it could be regular blackwood???

We started out with that continuation structure, then decided to just use one or the other, and chose new suits including the in-between suit as asking bids and 4N as RKC. It seems to work fine because we never have two primes outside, and the quality of the focus suit is a given. (AQJ, KQJ 8th + a bullet; solid 7th + a bullet; Solid 8 + 0/1K; or AQJ/KQJ 9th + 0/1K)

For the times we just want to end in 4M, transferring back via the tweener suit creates two open books for the defense.

[mycroft]

I play that 4[m] means 8-solid and out, or 8-one-loser and an outside A or K. The intermediate step says "if you have the broken suit, bid your outside card; with the solid suit, bid it". Given the tight requirements for 4[m] (which lead to forgets by one side or the other, but not to bad auctions when both remember), that and "standard" seem to Just Work.

[pigpenz]

 mycroft, on 2012-December-19, 12:05, said:

I play that 4[m] means 8-solid and out, or 8-one-loser and an outside A or K. The intermediate step says "if you have the broken suit, bid your outside card; with the solid suit, bid it". Given the tight requirements for 4[m] (which lead to forgets by one side or the other, but not to bad auctions when both remember), that and "standard" seem to Just Work.

I always liked the ROMEX method where the major suit didnt have to be solid, when that way there was a good second suit
responses were based on controls in steps
signing off in suit showed 0-2 controls
first step 3
third step 4

this then allowed opener to use asking bids

frequency of this type of namyats hand is more likely then a solid 8 card major

[FrancesHinden]

 Phil, on 2012-December-19, 09:54, said:

I thought after reading the forums you'd buy into:

3N = 8 - 8 1/2 tricks in a major
4m = natural

While this isn't technically legal, at some point it will be.

It's legal in most of the world including online, unless you happen to be playing in an ACBL tournament.

[Zelandakh]

The version of Namyats I first saw was restricted to either a solid suit, or a semi-solid suit with an outside ace or void. The main follow-up sequence was that bidding the in-between step is an asking bid, then 4M = side void; 4X = side ace in suit X; 4NT = solid suit. I do know that there are better methods around though.

[aguahombre]

 Zelandakh, on 2013-February-08, 04:07, said:

The version of Namyats I first saw was restricted to either a solid suit, or a semi-solid suit with an outside ace or void. The main follow-up sequence was that bidding the in-between step is an asking bid, then 4M = side void; 4X = side ace in suit X; 4NT = solid suit. I do know that there are better methods around though.

Interesting. The way we learned (and play) it was Namyats shows 8 (or 8 1/2) tricks. Those tricks were solid 7 plus a bullet or 8 semi-solid. Having a void does not add a trick; tricks add tricks.