[wyman]

r/r teams, short matches, expert opps

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I think it's typical to play 2-bids here as NFConst (but correct me if I'm wrong or if you feel strongly about this -- this could certainly be an avenue of discussion here). In any case that's what we're playing. Jumps are fit.

Are we supposed to XX or bid 2H here? Or other? What's our plan?

[aguahombre]

Yes, there are better methods ---such as xfers over 1MX, which allow us to show varying strengths for one-suited hands in response.

However, you have available a natural, non-forcing, constructive 2H bid. It would seem this would be a great time to use it, rather than a directionless XX merely because you have ten points.

[Phil]

2♥ seems normal.

[Codo]

Maybe partner expects LESS for 2 ♥, as we may had redoubled with 10 or even 9 points?

For me XX is just forcing to 2 NT (is this mainstream?), so I will try XX and bid 2 ♥ later. The void is a big minus, but I like my hand in the three other suits.

[Vampyr]

wyman, on 2012-November-13, 08:48, said:

r/r teams, short matches, expert opps

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I think it's typical to play 2-bids here as NFConst (but correct me if I'm wrong or if you feel strongly about this -- this could certainly be an avenue of discussion here).

I don't feel strongly about it; but I will note that around here it is pretty standard that new suits at any level are forcing.

Transfers do allow the best of both worlds; it is worth considering.

[wyman]

If we bid a NF 2H and LHO passes, how aggressively should partner raise on xxx? on Hxx? on Hx?

[aguahombre]

constructive, but non forcing means (IMO) that opener will not be bidding again unless there is more competition or she has extra values. Constructive, but non forcing is not invitational.

[the hog]

2H. Prefer 2D transfer but I guess we do not play that.

[PhilKing]

My plan is to incinerate them at the two level.

[aguahombre]

PhilKing, on 2012-November-13, 20:31, said:

My plan is to incinerate them at the two level.

Could be a good plan, or not. If the opponents are of the "Do something at all times" doubling school, we could have a ten-card heart fit or be playing 1SXX down

[ahydra]

I can live with 2H I think, though it's close. In any case I'd prefer to bid a 6c suit than to XX.

ahydra

[helene_t]

Codo, on 2012-November-13, 10:29, said:

Maybe partner expects LESS for 2 ♥, as we may had redoubled with 10 or even 9 points?

I don't think so. XX followed by 2♥ is probably gf. In that case, the freebid is something like 8-11.

[JLOGIC]

I would XX, I think this hand is too good for 2H and I'm not at all worried about getting preempted given my minor suit holdings.

It is unpleasant to not bid our suit on the first round though, which is why many people have switched to transfers over the X. This is especially true if our suit is clubs where it gets messy to XX with even an 11 count and 6 clubs since we will at best bid 3C next.

[32519]

wyman, on 2012-November-13, 08:48, said:

Jumps are fit.
Are we supposed to XX or bid 2H here? Or other? What's our plan?

aguahombre, on 2012-November-13, 09:36, said:

Yes, there are better methods ---such as xfers over 1MX, which allow us to show varying strengths for one-suited hands in response.

If you play transfers over 1MX, does the 1NT bid now become a transfer to ♣? If yes, then how do you show a suitable 1NT response hand after the X? You can't use the 2NT bid to transfer to a single suited ♣ hand as it will most likely be misinterpreted. Neither can you bid 3♣ as that would now be interpreted as a fit jump. Passing seems like a poor option if partner has a good hand.

[aguahombre]

32519, on 2012-November-14, 21:57, said:

If you play transfers over 1MX, does the 1NT bid now become a transfer to ♣? If yes, then how do you show a suitable 1NT response hand after the X? You can't use the 2NT bid to transfer to a single suited ♣ hand as it will most likely be misinterpreted. Neither can you bid 3♣ as that would now be interpreted as a fit jump. Passing seems like a poor option if partner has a good hand.

We do the full number:

1S (X) XX=any nt response 6+ or a single-suited game force.
1H (X) 1S=any nt response 6+ or a single-suited game force ---even (including long spades)
1H (X) XX=a 1S response (6+).

1M (X) any suit jump shift is an invitational splinter (10-12 support points including the distribution).

The other transfers have a range of nothing to 12.

1S (X) XX (P)...Opener passes with any full opening bid, but completes the NT relay or bids a new suit with weakness (not suitable to defend).

We still have Jordan 2NT (LR +) and regular double jump splinters. The inclusion of XX in the structure is what allows everything.