Begging Your Indulgence...
#1
Posted 2012-November-01, 22:03
Dianne, I'm holding in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies... --Agent Dale Cooper
#2
Posted 2012-November-01, 22:49
I have a 5 loser hand.
much closer to 4s than pass.
#3
Posted 2012-November-02, 01:49
Instead, I have described an 11-17 (18?) hand with 5+4+. There is no continuation I can think of to tell partner I had a 2S rebid. If I were 6-4 in the two suits, I would have more strength than I have, so it would be easy to now bid 3S.
Consequently, I have no idea how to answer the poll.
#5
Posted 2012-November-02, 03:29
aguahombre, on 2012-November-02, 01:49, said:
Instead, I have described an 11-17 (18?) hand with 5+4+. There is no continuation I can think of to tell partner I had a 2S rebid. If I were 6-4 in the two suits, I would have more strength than I have, so it would be easy to now bid 3S.
Consequently, I have no idea how to answer the poll.
I would find it horrible if my partner would describe this hand as a one suiter in spades with 11-14 HCPS. You will miss game opposite Ax,xxx,xxxx,Kxxx or opposite hands with heart fit and you do not gain over any given rebid from partner.
I invite with 3 ♠, won't be down too often.
Roland
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More system is not the answer...
#6
Posted 2012-November-02, 09:15
My partners have xx, Axx, KJxx, xxxx on a GOOD day and xx, xxx, Kxxxx, Qxx on a bad one.
I can't pass fast enough but we do agree that the 1nt responder can bid 2nt next time with light points but good controls.
The opponents silence is as likely to be 4 spades with one of them as general dregs.
What is baby oil made of?
#7
Posted 2012-November-02, 09:22
I disagree that pard can rebid 2nt with lite points.
Pard could even have 3s and less than a constructive raise here.
#8
Posted 2012-November-02, 09:52
But we do have an 8-card fit, and the right cards will make game. Do I still have a 3♦ short-suit try? If so, at IMPs, I'm making it. If I play constructive raises, there's the 6-7 point hands with three spades, too, that if not too much is wasted in diamonds will make game. But around here, at least, most everybody does play constructive raises, and those that don't are less likely to see the power of this hand opposite 1♠-2♠. So most people are passing at pairs, and I think I have to take my averages when it's +110 and try to take my tops with +170, rather than try to beat the +170s and worry about not making +140.
But details on what I'm playing could tip me either way at both forms of scoring - as could knowing who's got my hand at the other table at IMPs.
#9
Posted 2012-November-02, 12:32
mike777, on 2012-November-02, 09:22, said:
I disagree that pard can rebid 2nt with lite points.
Pard could even have 3s and less than a constructive raise here.
The range we use for 2♥ is 12-17 and you only have 13 with a 1-card boost in shape.
My partnership agreement is that the 1nt responder can push with say an Ace and 2 Kings and that's the perfecto light 2nt bid. We lose often when that push gets us too high so I'm by no means saying you are wrong, we just have an agreement that responder rather than opener is the one to push here and we can afford to respond initially on some real crap if we think it's right.
It's an agreement arrived at with much pain but having agreements on which hand pushes on various auctions is a good thing. And yes, there are some 3-card non-constructive spade support hands that we will miss game on but the opps entered the bidding on most of them.
What is baby oil made of?
#10
Posted 2012-November-02, 14:12
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#11
Posted 2012-November-02, 15:00
Where do we get off on assuming that partner has a good hand, after he has made the absolutely weakest calls he can make and not have passed 1♠?
My partners bid this way on xx xx KQxxx Jxxx. We're already too high on many normal layouts.
In addition, bear in mind that on just about any holding on which we are favoured to make 3♠, partner ought to bid game. So even if we thought that there were a lot of hands on which the 3-level is safe (and I suspect that it is too high most of the time), bidding 3 is silly, unless we are way behind at imps.
#12
Posted 2012-November-02, 15:15
- billw55
#13
Posted 2012-November-02, 17:09
That gives me a narrow range for 2nt but a wide range for 2s.
I would also open 1s and rebid 2h on hands with less than 12 which again gives me quite a wide range.
Hence this problem.
#14
Posted 2012-November-02, 18:09
Partner should be showing 5-8 with 2 ♠s unless you play a direct 2 ♠ raise as constructive. Then pard could have 3 ♠s and an absolute minimum response.
At IMPs, I think you make a game try of 3 ♠ almost automatically.
At matchpoints, it much less clear. I think I'd make a try if I thought we needed a top or two to do really well. I think I'd also make a game try playing if playing constructive raises. But if pard can only have 2 ♠s, pass ought to get some MPs, so I'll sit.
#15
Posted 2012-November-02, 18:12
rmnka447, on 2012-November-02, 18:09, said:
Partner should be showing 5-8 with 2 ♠s unless you play a direct 2 ♠ raise as constructive. Then pard could have 3 ♠s and an absolute minimum response.
At IMPs, I think you make a game try of 3 ♠ almost automatically.
At matchpoints, it much less clear. I think I'd make a try if I thought we needed a top or two to do really well. I think I'd also make a game try playing if playing constructive raises. But if pard can only have 2 ♠s, pass ought to get some MPs, so I'll sit.
5-8 seems rather limited in range. I would expect a much wider range given we can open with less than 12 with shape. What are you doing with 9-11 and 2s?....2nt?
#16
Posted 2012-November-02, 18:36
mike777, on 2012-November-02, 17:09, said:
That gives me a narrow range for 2nt but a wide range for 2s.
I would also open 1s and rebid 2h on hands with less than 12 which again gives me quite a wide range.
Hence this problem.
Yeah, you are stuck with showing a wide range on one to narrow it on the other. We don't open as many 11 counts as some but if you do it's not clear to me which style would suit you best but there is a lot at risk either way.
I'm missing a few cold games but feel like I'm winning more often. That has as much to do with aggresive opponents (which we play against a lot of) coming in to steer us into the right contract as anything and taking our best shot on the inferences when they don't. ie. the spades split 4-1 against us on this auction a bit more often. If the opps were white you could almost count on it.
What is baby oil made of?
#17
Posted 2012-November-02, 19:13
#18
Posted 2012-November-02, 19:30
Pass now and this is not difficult. I think bidding on shows poor hand evaluation.
#19
Posted 2012-November-02, 20:31
Thiros, on 2012-November-02, 19:13, said:
This is silly because it assumes that game fails only by one trick.
if game goes down, it could very well fail by 2 or even 3 tricks and, if so, there is a very high likelihood that good opps will double. opps who listen to you havea 2-3-4 sequence are far better positioned to apply the axe, when right, than in most game sequences.
#20
Posted 2012-November-02, 23:00
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