[diana_eva]

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How would you bid this?

Spoiler

this is what happened at our table:

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The other table bid and made 3NT.

[mikeh]

I try to avoid reading spoilers until after I have made my mistake.

It would help to know whether we played support doubles here. I am going to assume not.

The cuebid (whether 3♥or an esoteric 3♦) rates to confuse matters more often than it will clarify them. If I knew he'd bid 3♠with Hx I might try it (and he would were support doubles in play), but even then 4♠might be inferior.

So I am going to make what I see as the pragmatic bid: 3N.


Edit: I then looked at the spoiler and couldn't read it! other than seeing the 'other table' result

[diana_eva]

Spoiler shows i chose the inferior 4S which went down doubled, while the other table bid and made 3nt.

Follow-up question: After the bidding proceeds to 4S doubled, will you pull to 5C ?

[bluecalm]

In normal bridge it's easy double showing extras and no other convenient bid.
Unfortunately in pick-up partnership it's risky because partner may think it's penalty or that you think it's penalty or that you think they think it's penalty. In those circumstances I would try 3NT.

[SteveMoe]

3N oposite partner's minimum rebid on this hand is not a bad prospect. We have more than 1/2 of our strength in their suit and our 6-card suit is thin (think 5-card suit). I'd gamble 3♦ to force and see if partner corrects to ♠ but fear partner will bid 4♣ - just what I don't want to happen. So I will simply bid 3N and trust that when most of my assets are in opponents suits, 9 tricks are easier to make than 10.

[mikeh]

diana_eva, on 2012-October-22, 10:25, said:

Spoiler shows i chose the inferior 4S which went down doubled, while the other table bid and made 3nt.

Follow-up question: After the bidding proceeds to 4S doubled, will you pull to 5C ?

no

[mike777]

great hand to post....

I mean this seems to be a common type of problem...thanks for posting.


seems 3nt is a middle of the road bid....


see trump quality that tips the decision for me.

But then I was not at the table


Under Pressure

[nigel_k]

Axxxxx is not a suit to bid game by yourself with. I would not even rebid the suit below game unless there was no choice. Here you can double or cue bid and play 3NT unless partner is able to show secondary spade support.

[the hog]

diana_eva, on 2012-October-22, 07:37, said:

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How would you bid this?

Spoiler

this is what happened at our table:

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The other table bid and made 3NT.

Pretty obvious 3NT bid.

[MrAce]

diana_eva, on 2012-October-22, 10:25, said:

Follow-up question: After the bidding proceeds to 4S doubled, will you pull to 5C ?

% 100 you should lift it imo.

One of them showing 2 suiter and other one is barely bidding 2♥, i dont think they have double fit in red suits, (8+8) Perhaps they may have 9 card ♥ fit but i doubt it. Pd has 6 or 7 card ♣, 2♥ + 3♦, i think leaving to 4♠ may not be as bad as bidding 4♠ but still bad imo.

I mean sorry but...when your pd opens and you have 13 hcp, and when you know your side has at least 8 card fit in a minor, possibly 9 card, you are bidding 4♠ with 6 card spades that looks like 5 card spades and not even a good 5 cards, they double it and you still sit on it as if you have some decent spots and can play vs a stiff or void.

On the other hand i like what MikeH said about 3NT. I admit i would bid 3♥ though. (showing gf and ♥ values )

[the_clown]

I would bid 3♥ intending to show ♥ stop and asking partner to bid 3N if he had smth in ♦. He has the option to bid 3♠ which I will raise or to bid 4♣ if he has 7+♣ and nothing in ♦. Second choice is double.

[diana_eva]

Thank you very much for the replies - very helpful. I don't know how i was so blinded by length there. I'll know better next time

[lalldonn]

I would have doubled. That should just be extra values, not penalty. If partner found a pass I would be very happy, if he bids 2♠ I would know we belong there, and otherwise I can always bid 3NT next. I think bidding 3NT now is goofy. We can still belong in spades.

[phil_20686]

mikeh, on 2012-October-22, 10:02, said:

So I am going to make what I see as the pragmatic bid: 3N.

+1

I will probably make 3N if I can bring in either black suit. Would be frustrating to go off in 4S when partner has AKQxxx clubs.

[Fluffy]

I am with donn, how can you not double with this?

[phil_20686]

Fluffy, on 2012-October-24, 12:51, said:

I am with donn, how can you not double with this?

Assuming you play support doubles here, which I think most would over a non-natural 1N, the best you can hope for is Kx or KQ of spades. With my current hand do I really want to look for 4S opposite: Kx xxx Ax KQJxxx say? this has no play at all with the trumps 4-1, where as 3N could easily make my bringing the clubs in if you win the heart lead and play top spade top spade and then a club when you hear the bad news.

Obviously, its absurd to argument by constructing hands, but if you restrict partner to two spades, its easy to construct hands where you will reach 4S in a 6-2 fit when you would rather be in 3N.

[PhilKing]

Partner is:

a) Limited

b) Has denied three spades

c) Has shown a defined 1-suiter

Some Luddites, who clearly just do not understand the modern game, have been known to treat this as a penalty double.