Any way to prevent this from happening?
#1
Posted 2012-October-17, 01:09
#2
Posted 2012-October-17, 01:23
1N 2D
Not playing nmf, this sequence is non forcing.
I would have bid 1D and followed it up with 2 and 3 hearts.
As for not getting booted - pick a better partner.
#3
Posted 2012-October-17, 01:42
That being said, with a strong hand, you can afford to show suits in their natural order, i.e. longest first.
#4
Posted 2012-October-17, 02:53
2. You bid the hand really really bad. If you have a strong two suiter, bid the longer suit first. Try to learn basic bidding rules - bbo can help you.
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#5
Posted 2012-October-17, 03:18
George Carlin
#6
Posted 2012-October-17, 03:55
Antrax, on 2012-October-17, 01:42, said:
Well, I would guess they named the NMF convention "New Minor Forcing" because otherwise after a 1NT rebid a new minor wasn't forcing.
#7
Posted 2012-October-17, 04:03
Antrax, on 2012-October-17, 01:42, said:
That being said, with a strong hand, you can afford to show suits in their natural order, i.e. longest first.
By the same token as
1m-1S
1N-2H is usually played as non-forcing (despite the fact that responder is unlimited).
Of course, trying to find a 4-card diamond suit in opener's hand is something of a pipe dream and playing 1NT should be OK usually anyway (people hate minor suit fits). Hence New Minor Forcing, 2-way checkback, etc.
George Carlin
#8
Posted 2012-October-17, 05:29
AyunuS, on 2012-October-17, 01:09, said:
Sounds like your partner expected better bidding from an Advanced player. Maybe if you lower your self-rating, partners won't set such high expectations and therefore won't be as upset when you bid like this.
#9
Posted 2012-October-17, 05:45
Even opposite an "Expert" it is unusual to boot someone for bad bidding before you have even seen their hand to be able to judge. I did enjoy the part where the OP claims not to like "this sort of bid" (presumably this sort being an "unnecessary" jump) and then proceeds to make one of his own though!
#10
Posted 2012-October-17, 06:45
Bbradley62, on 2012-October-17, 05:29, said:
At first it sounded to me like this player booted him before he even saw his hand. Rereading the OP, it isn't really clear. And the immediate boot is very rude either way (rude to the whole table in fact), the hand should be finished. I would say mark this guy as enemy and move on.
Furthermore, after 1♣ - 1♥ - 1NT - 2♦, 3NT is an almost impossible bid, sounds like basic handhogging to me.
-gwnn
#11
Posted 2012-October-17, 07:02
#12
Posted 2012-October-17, 07:08
billw55, on 2012-October-17, 06:45, said:
Furthermore, after 1♣ - 1♥ - 1NT - 2♦, 3NT is an almost impossible bid, sounds like basic handhogging to me.
Not if you guess that partner play NMF- which I would assume from every advanced CHO I meet at BBO.
Roland
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#13
Posted 2012-October-17, 07:28
aguahombre, on 2012-October-17, 03:55, said:
It never ceases to amaze me how basic some of the holes in my bidding knowledge are. I was sure a new suit by an unpassed responder is forcing, even when opener is limited.
#14
Posted 2012-October-17, 07:29
billw55, on 2012-October-17, 06:45, said:
Almost impossible, but not quite. 3NT might be chosen by a player who thinks he is responding to NMF but hasn't a clue how to do so.
#15
Posted 2012-October-17, 07:36
Antrax, on 2012-October-17, 07:28, said:
Depends on the sequence
1C-1S
2C-2H
is one bid which most people play as forcing, for instance (natural but sometimes 3 cards). 2D is also played as forcing although many pairs use it artificially (in which case 2H can be natural).
George Carlin
#16
Posted 2012-October-17, 07:52
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#17
Posted 2012-October-17, 08:38
aguahombre, on 2012-October-17, 07:29, said:
Uh, what's so impossible about this? If it's assumed that 2nt is a minimum non-forcing, no fit, declining an invitation, 2h is fit, and 2s is spades, what else are you supposed to do with a balanced max without a fit? I guess I don't have a clue.
3nt is perfectly normal IMO without special agreements, it's described as a normal rebid in Root/Pavlicek. Now, certainly, one could decide to use 2s artificial (esp if 1nt denies spades absolutely), or if the NMF bid had been 2c, not 2d, one could use 2d with min, 2nt with max to save space. But these artificial schemes hardly seem practical in a random pickup BBO, how do you know partner will be on the same wavelength, since there isn't really a universally played scheme? 3nt is the most practical bid under these circumstances.
#18
Posted 2012-October-17, 08:44
#19
Posted 2012-October-17, 12:37
Antrax, on 2012-October-17, 07:28, said:
That's my understanding as well. The other way to read it is that the new minor is the ONLY forcing rebid by responder. So better names might have been "New Minor Artificial" or "Only New Minor Forcing". But it's too late, the name we have is what everyone knows these days (just as "Unusual 2NT" is not very unusual).
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If you are playing NMF, then 1m-1♠-1NT-2♥ is non-forcing, since you're would use NMF to show a stronger hand.
#20
Posted 2012-October-17, 17:47
Antrax, on 2012-October-17, 07:28, said:
It's normally the case only when opener's rebid is 1NT. This is why various checkback schemes have been developed.