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balanced hands vs 2 suiter, this includes biddings such as 1NT-2♥-2♠-3♣-4♣, but not 1NT-2♥-2♠-3♣-3♠ (unsuported suit must be 5+)
I need some ideas
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Posted 2012-October-21, 03:10
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Posted 2012-October-21, 03:51
Than you guys, your replies are very much appreciated 
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Posted 2012-October-21, 05:54
Instead of Good-Bad 3NT, try 3NT as x-minor keys-ask.
Even 4 of other minor as keys-ask.
I don't see M-try hurt much giving up 3NT Good-Bad.
At worst 4NT keys gets to 5M - oops if Q-bids don't warn off slam try.
Rethinking this situation, the minor slam try needs to be immediate priority.
Thanks for noting this problem.
Even 4 of other minor as keys-ask.
I don't see M-try hurt much giving up 3NT Good-Bad.
At worst 4NT keys gets to 5M - oops if Q-bids don't warn off slam try.
Rethinking this situation, the minor slam try needs to be immediate priority.
Thanks for noting this problem.
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Posted 2012-October-21, 06:58
Y'all are forcing me to make a suggestion.
If you happen to be in the camp where the minor fit is clearly established (the minor bid by Responder is real) and really find the need to focus the minor that much, then i would suggest solving the problem earlier if at all possible.
The solution might be to have +1 show the major fit. For example, assume 1S-2C, 3C-?. Responder bids +1 to agree spades also. Thus, 1S-2C, 3C-3D shows a spade fit also. (Bid 3S, instead, as whatever 3D would normally show, such as a notrump probe needing a heart stop or whatever).
By grabbing that extra step in many sequences (not in hearts-diamond situation), you enable either a cue in the major or a relay, depending on style.
If that seems good, you could even make this better by having Opener submarine the raise. If Opener wants to raise diamonds, for example, he bids 3C (3D would instead show a club suit), but that might be rich. Maybe just use that in the heart-diamond situation?
An auction example:
1S-2C
3C-3D,(double fit)
3H(relay)-?
3S=focus clubs
3NT+=focus spades, cues
After,3S to focus clubs, 3NT is a spade cue.
If spades and diamonds:
1S-2D
3D-3H(double fit)
3S(relay)-?
3NT=focus diamonds
4C+=focus spades, cues
Something like that.
If you happen to be in the camp where the minor fit is clearly established (the minor bid by Responder is real) and really find the need to focus the minor that much, then i would suggest solving the problem earlier if at all possible.
The solution might be to have +1 show the major fit. For example, assume 1S-2C, 3C-?. Responder bids +1 to agree spades also. Thus, 1S-2C, 3C-3D shows a spade fit also. (Bid 3S, instead, as whatever 3D would normally show, such as a notrump probe needing a heart stop or whatever).
By grabbing that extra step in many sequences (not in hearts-diamond situation), you enable either a cue in the major or a relay, depending on style.
If that seems good, you could even make this better by having Opener submarine the raise. If Opener wants to raise diamonds, for example, he bids 3C (3D would instead show a club suit), but that might be rich. Maybe just use that in the heart-diamond situation?
An auction example:
1S-2C
3C-3D,(double fit)
3H(relay)-?
3S=focus clubs
3NT+=focus spades, cues
After,3S to focus clubs, 3NT is a spade cue.
If spades and diamonds:
1S-2D
3D-3H(double fit)
3S(relay)-?
3NT=focus diamonds
4C+=focus spades, cues
Something like that.
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Posted 2012-October-21, 11:40
I;'m afraid I will also choose the Ken Rexford side of this debate. Scary.
Andy wants two bids. One says "I have a strong 5-2-4-2 and spades is going to be trumps", and one that says "I have a strong 5-2-4-2 and diamonds is going to be trumps". It seems to me that this is not the most important use of room. Especially since it is responder, not opener, who can usually make a better judgement to which is going to be the trump suit.
Andy also wrote, on the very first page:
It seems to me that, lacking any other agreement, everybody would assume 4D is a cuebid and shows the ace or king.
Andy wants two bids. One says "I have a strong 5-2-4-2 and spades is going to be trumps", and one that says "I have a strong 5-2-4-2 and diamonds is going to be trumps". It seems to me that this is not the most important use of room. Especially since it is responder, not opener, who can usually make a better judgement to which is going to be the trump suit.
Andy also wrote, on the very first page:
gnasher, on 2012-October-19, 01:10, said:
If we have two trump suits, that means we can't cue-bid in either of them.
It seems to me that, lacking any other agreement, everybody would assume 4D is a cuebid and shows the ace or king.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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