[SimonFa]

MPs, any vul (please say if makes a difference), ops quiet, partner deals.

What does the following sequence:

1m 1M 3NT

mean in

1. Standard American
2. SAYC
3. 2/1

I suspect they are all very similar but wondered if I had missed something.

What would you bid next with 2=5=3=3 and 12HCP given you have discussed quantitative raise but they've never come up and you aren't convinced partner fully understands them.

As always, thanks in advance,

Simon

PS For the avoidance of doubt we play better minor and bid clubs with 3:3 in minors.

[Codo]

I think standard is a stronger version of "Gambling 3 NT". So a real good, neraly running suit with some points here and there. Maybe something like Kxx,x,Ax,AKJTxxx after you responded 1 Heart.

So I would not count my HCPS but my covercards for 6 clubs and pass or bid 4♣, depending on my judgement about slam prospects. F.E. Qx, KQJxx,QJx,,Qx would be a pass, but the same pointcount with Kings and aces would be an invitation to 6 ♣.

I am sure that there are people who play the jump to 3 NT different, so I have no idea, what is standard. But in my part of the world, I would guess that this is much more common then anything else.

[billw55]

Agree, long and mostly solid minor suit. This can never show a balanced hand, since all hcp ranges are otherwise covered.

Conceivably, it could also be used for a strong 4441. Those are a pain. But by default I would expect the long suit.

as for this:

SimonFa, on 2012-October-09, 02:12, said:

What would you bid next with 2=5=3=3 and 12HCP given you have discussed quantitative raise but they've never come up and you aren't convinced partner fully understands them.

Pass and let him make it. Do not make bids that partner does not understand. Furthermore, I am not sure quantitative makes sense here, since partner's high card strength is not narrowly defined.

[Cyberyeti]

Agree with others what it standardly is, hand with a big minor.

I quite like it in the minor you open with a 4333 as I have a 4 card fit for you in a 4333 and a 19 count allowing a mirrored 4333 to pass.

I used to play it in a 4 card minor context as 4 of my suit, 4 of partner's suit either 3-2 or 4-1 in the others with immediate splinter void showing, then we shifted the no trump ranges and adjusted it to 18-22 4441 with support specifically.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

A "flawed" Gambling 3NT that could not open 3NT with a solid 7 card suit and 1 or 2 outside Kings or Aces .

[SimonFa]

Codo, on 2012-October-09, 02:53, said:

I think standard is a stronger version of "Gambling 3 NT". So a real good, neraly running suit with some points here and there. Maybe something like Kxx,x,Ax,AKJTxxx after you responded 1 Heart.

That wasn't his hand but it makes sense given all flat hand distributions are accounted for, its about the only thing I didn't think of.

I'll put this to partner for future reference.


Thanks for all other responses as well,

Simon

[FrancesHinden]

A more old-fashioned meaning in England is a balanced 19-count (1NT = 12-14, 1suit then 1NT = 15-16, 1suit then 2NT = 17-18, 1suit then 3NT = 19).
The 'hoping to make 3NT with a long minor' meaning is much more common now but you will still come across the older meaning sometimes.

[mikl_plkcc]

I would understand it as a hand with about 19-21 HCPs, 5-3-3-2 shape. I would then bid 4NT to invite.