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Posted 2012-September-28, 17:58

♠1032
♥9853
♦43
♣A1062

-----1NT
3♣-3♦ (transfer)
3♠-3NT (3♠ is short)
4NT-5♥
6♦-pass
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Posted 2012-September-28, 22:32

What is 5♥?
In general I would lead ♦.
Dummy is going to be something of 1264/1273/1363....club doesnt go away, everything else looks like a curtesy finesse of the partner.
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Posted 2012-September-29, 05:12

I'll lead a H. C doesn't look like it's running away, conceivably P has KQ or similar, but mainly just trying to avoid giving anything away. D might save declarer having to pick up Qx.

Can believe that small C through dummy's K would be right, but P's not going to be friendly to me if it goes wrong.
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Posted 2012-September-29, 06:12

I'd lead a heart but my first reaction was the ace of clubs. It will feel pretty stupid if we had them beat on a club ruff but such is life I guess. With no club ten I would lead the ace of clubs.
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Posted 2012-September-29, 08:33

I'd feel very silly if declarer had AKQx, Axx, Jxx, Jxx and dummy had x, KQx, AKQxxxx, Qx and I didn't lead a club, how good are opps ? 4N is a poor bid if you hold the diamond hand and it's blackwood, is this in the frame ?

Only heart and club look sensible, for a heart to be necessary, partner needs K♥ over A or KQ and the spade K to prevent sufficient discards, this seems unlikely but not impossible.

For a club to be wrong, declarer needs something like Axxx, KQx, Kxx, KJx opposite Q, AJx, AQJxxx, xxx is that plausible ? I think I'd probably play ♣Ax.
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Posted 2012-September-30, 03:31

♣ A lead also works when pd has Qx(x) ♦ sometimes. Declarer may think we cashed our ace because we are hoping to score our trump Q.

Pd may have K or pd may ruff 2nd ♣ as Justin and Cyber said.
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Posted 2012-September-30, 03:54

I usually lead my aces in spots like this. The combination of partner ruffs the next one, partner has the king, or partner has some trick and dummy's clubs were going on spades convince me to do it here. But I will feel a bit sad if this is the lead to let them make, which it easily could be.
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Posted 2012-September-30, 06:38

♣A

Chances that this will beat the contract are far better than that this is the lead, which will let an "unmake-able" contract make.

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Posted 2012-October-01, 01:32

I didn't like ♣A lead because dummy can have 4 clubs but not 4 hearts, so clubs are less likelly to go away, only when dummy has 1372, or incredibly strong spades from declarer

My thoughs were that spade blows a trick when partner has king or queen, hearts might blow when he has the queen, diamond when he has the queen third and clubs when he has queen or jack. So red suits look better to me, I went for trump because these opponents would never finese diamonds with 9 anyway.


Leads doesn't mater much, except that 2 down is possible if you don't touch clubs, I didn't but still got just one.
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Posted 2012-October-01, 02:50

View PostFluffy, on 2012-October-01, 01:32, said:


Leads doesn't mater much, except that 2 down is possible if you don't touch clubs, I didn't but still got just one.

It's very close, swap the J and 3 of ♥ and you'll be very glad you led a club.
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Posted 2012-October-01, 04:22

swap ♣Q and ♣K and then tell me :P
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Posted 2012-October-01, 04:29

View PostFluffy, on 2012-October-01, 04:22, said:

swap ♣Q and ♣K and then tell me :P

Wouldn't declarer make anyway on that layout?
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Posted 2012-October-01, 04:33

right, more switches required for ♣A to be fatal for you
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Posted 2012-October-01, 08:52

View Postgnasher, on 2012-October-01, 04:29, said:

Wouldn't declarer make anyway on that layout?

Yeah, I'm not finding the small club lead that in practice beats it on that layout :)
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