[JonnyQuest]

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Playing 2/1, Reverse Bergen raises.

After partner rebids 2♥, what is your call?

[CSGibson]

JonnyQuest, on 2012-September-11, 19:43, said:

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Playing 2/1, Reverse Bergen raises.

After partner rebids 2♥, what is your call?

3♥ for me. I thought about 4 also, could be right especially if partner's strength is scattered outside of his trump suit, since he'll be nervous about not having the QJT. I would have preferred to respond 1S to deflect the spade opening lead, and to give partner something intelligent to do with a 4=5=2=2 hand.

[Fluffy]

Partner is also vulnerable, don't punish him for opening light with 6 card major.

[Zelandakh]

Not sure I understand the question. When I chose to respond 1NT (rather than 1♠) I surely did so in order to show a 3 card limit raise. Did something change?

[phil_20686]

JonnyQuest, on 2012-September-11, 19:43, said:

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Playing 2/1, Reverse Bergen raises.

After partner rebids 2♥, what is your call?

I don't really understand why I bid 1N at all. Whether you play simple or constructive raises you can probably get this into 2h

ANyway, it looks like you planned to show a limit raise, and you are basically meant to bid game with a limit raise when partner shows a suit. However, this auction presents a chance for the impossible spade bid, to show a limit raise, and possibly keep us to the three level. I would do that.

I.e. bid 2S.

[phil_20686]

CSGibson, on 2012-September-11, 19:56, said:

3♥ for me. I thought about 4 also, could be right especially if partner's strength is scattered outside of his trump suit, since he'll be nervous about not having the QJT. I would have preferred to respond 1S to deflect the spade opening lead, and to give partner something intelligent to do with a 4=5=2=2 hand.

Raising here often only shows two card heart support. This auction is good for you, since you can show a limit raise with three card support without commiting to game by bidding an impossible spade. I really strongly believe that 3h is wrong. I understand 4H, if you played semi constructive weak twos, for example, 4H becomes quite attractive, as partner will have a twelve count with 6 hearts always. i.e. no light openings.

[Codo]

Phil,

why should it be preferable to bid 2 ♠ with 3 hearts, but 3 ♥ with just two? Wouldn't it be much better the other way round?

For the original question: I had not bid 1 NT, so I have no problem now. With a say 3343 hand I would invite now, in whatever way this may happen- 3 ♥ for me- which shows 3 hearts usually.

[phil_20686]

Codo, on 2012-September-12, 03:42, said:

Phil,

why should it be preferable to bid 2 ♠ with 3 hearts, but 3 ♥ with just two? Wouldn't it be much better the other way round?

For the original question: I had not bid 1 NT, so I have no problem now. With a say 3343 hand I would invite now, in whatever way this may happen- 3 ♥ for me- which shows 3 hearts usually.

NO reason really, except symmetry with the minor auctions. Normally 1h-1n-2c-2s is the good way to raise clubs, and 1h-1n-2c-3c is the wors3 (though still constructive). I would assume in an expert partnership that partner would assume this 2S bid was like these, and was showing the best possible heart raise in context.

I have also seen a style where bidding 2H in 1n-1n-2h shows the lower end of the range, 10-13, and with the upper end of the range, 13-15, you are expected to fake a minor bid first, just like you would with a top range weak NT.

[Phil]

phil_20686, on 2012-September-12, 03:08, said:

I don't really understand why I bid 1N at all. Whether you play simple or constructive raises you can probably get this into 2h

ANyway, it looks like you planned to show a limit raise, and you are basically meant to bid game with a limit raise when partner shows a suit. However, this auction presents a chance for the impossible spade bid, to show a limit raise, and possibly keep us to the three level. I would do that.

I.e. bid 2S.

Seems like a normal 3 card limit raise to me. I play 1♥ - 1N - 2♥ - 2♠ as both minors and I thought this was standard.

On the actual hand, I would bid 4♥.

[Flem72]

phil_20686, on 2012-September-12, 03:08, said:

However, this auction presents a chance for the impossible spade bid, to show a limit raise, and possibly keep us to the three level. I would do that.
I.e. bid 2S.

I like this use of the 2S call, which with most partners asks "pick a minor." Now, it operates like a feature/distribution ask, useful information in considering 3H or 4H. Or maybe 3N at mps if s/he comes up with 3C (likely). But I confess that with a known 6-carder opposite, I'd probably call 4H: too many prime cards.

[CSGibson]

phil_20686, on 2012-September-12, 03:11, said:

Raising here often only shows two card heart support. This auction is good for you, since you can show a limit raise with three card support without commiting to game by bidding an impossible spade. I really strongly believe that 3h is wrong. I understand 4H, if you played semi constructive weak twos, for example, 4H becomes quite attractive, as partner will have a twelve count with 6 hearts always. i.e. no light openings.

If playing with an expert, I would assume 2♠ was both minors and invitational. I do agree that 3H is often 2, and I would have prior to this year always bid 4 on the 3 card limit raise hands, but there was a comment on a prior post that convinced me that treatment is not best, that if I have an invitational hand with 2 or 3 hearts that it is best just to bid 3H. I do understand the problem, though - if partner does not have AKxxxx in trump, he'll be very worried about a potential two card raise since I have all the spots. This is why I think 4 hearts has considerable merit.

[mike777]

JonnyQuest, on 2012-September-11, 19:43, said:

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Playing 2/1, Reverse Bergen raises.

After partner rebids 2♥, what is your call?

playing 2/1 why in the world did i bid 1nt?