[Adriaantje]

gwnn, on 2013-March-27, 04:17, said:

Pretty sure they had a conventional 2NT rebid over 1m-1M; right? His point was that they played 2♦ as 18-19 balanced but they didn't use this for their advantage in their 1m auctions.

oh right! I guess they did do that, yes.

[billw55]

I have met several players who insist that as responder, I should bid and rebid a five card major, because the first bid only showed four.

[Fluffy]

billw55, on 2013-March-29, 06:37, said:

I have met several players who insist that as responder, I should bid and rebid a five card major, because the first bid only showed four.

I suspect this makes more sense from old people from local cllubs who do not shuffle boards properly, for them 5 card suit is a biggie

[Fluffy]

Not the worst agreement, but certainly the worst bid I do remember ever.

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When this kid of thing happens it is surprising how often the contract has play. But with such a bidding opponent's lacked the skill to make it.

BTW, before bidding 2♠ RHO bid an insufficent 1♠ just to make things a bit more bizarre.

[RunemPard]

Comedy gold..

I open 1C sitting east with some decently strong hand. Partner(west) replies 1H, followed by north bidding 2H with some 9-11 HCP hand and AQxxx in hearts. Knowing the two players, this is natural. With Kxx in hearts and the opps red vs. our white, I double. After south takes 15 seconds to find a pass card, my partner goes to 3C. This is when North finds the 3H card, followed by my 2nd double.

5 down for -1400. The true comedy begins when north decides to explain to his partner loudly that her passing my double was an absolutely HORRIBLE bid!

[Antrax]

So what's the weird agreement? I also play 2♥ there as natural

[aguahombre]

Antrax, on 2013-May-23, 20:58, said:

So what's the weird agreement? I also play 2♥ there as natural

That is not the weird agreement. The 3H bid by the same person and then the commentary when he gave his partner nowhere to go are what was weird.

[Antrax]

Ah, okay. I interpreted this:

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Knowing the two players, this is natural.

As criticism on playing it natural.

[PhilKing]

aguahombre, on 2013-May-23, 21:19, said:

That is not the weird agreement. The 3H bid by the same person and then the commentary when he gave his partner nowhere to go are what was weird.

Blaming partner regardless of the facts is a fairly common treatment.

[gordontd]

PhilKing, on 2013-May-24, 06:05, said:

Blaming partner regardless of the facts is a fairly common treatment.

It's almost as common as a deviation when they've agreed not to do it.

[Trinidad]

A few weeks ago I met a pair who played 1♦-(1♥)-1♠ as non forcing. I found that out because it continued pass-pass (and it was not a mistake/psyche/whatever).

On the next board (of the 2 board round) we bid Pass-1♠; 2♠-4♠. When the dummy came down they told me that I should have alerted 2♠ "because it could be as short as three cards". (We play 5 card majors, not alertable.)

Rik

[gwnn]

Trinidad, on 2013-May-24, 07:45, said:

A few weeks ago I met a pair who played 1♦-(1♥)-1♠ as non forcing. I found that out because it continued pass-pass (and it was not a mistake/psyche/whatever).

That's how I learned to play, too, from my parents (in the early 2000's! not in the interwar years). Strong hands should start with a double, or maybe a cuebid. It was never really explained to me what the difference was.

[ArtK78]

Trinidad, on 2013-May-24, 07:45, said:

A few weeks ago I met a pair who played 1♦-(1♥)-1♠ as non forcing. I found that out because it continued pass-pass (and it was not a mistake/psyche/whatever).

On the next board (of the 2 board round) we bid Pass-1♠; 2♠-4♠. When the dummy came down they told me that I should have alerted 2♠ "because it could be as short as three cards". (We play 5 card majors, not alertable.)

Rik

The first sentence just sounds like a negative free bid. Certainly not earth shattering, but clearly an unusual treatment (whether they know it or not).

As for the second sentence, that is funny. Even in old-fashioned Goren with 4-card majors one would often raise on 3 card support.

[gwnn]

ArtK78, on 2013-May-24, 09:20, said:

The first sentence just sounds like a negative free bid. Certainly not earth shattering, but clearly an unusual treatment (whether they know it or not).

As for the second sentence, that is funny. Even in old-fashioned Goren with 4-card majors one would often raise on 3 card support.

Negative free bids on the 1-level are very unusual and almost earth shattering.

[Vampyr]

gwnn, on 2013-May-24, 10:14, said:

Negative free bids on the 1-level are very unusual and almost earth shattering.

Very interesting, though. I wonder how it would fare at the Secret Bridge Olympics.

[32519]

Vampyr, on 2013-May-24, 18:03, said:

Very interesting, though. I wonder how it would fare at the Secret Bridge Olympics.

[Zelandakh]

It got a 1 back in 1968 - old news.

[Vampyr]

Last weekend I had an auction 2♥-(2♠*)

* = takeout. I had never heard of Fishbein at the 2-level, nor as a major-suit bid. I considered it one of the worst sacrifices of a useful bid I have ever seen.

[Zelandakh]

Wasn't the old Hackett defence to a weak 2♠ opening 2NT = minimum takeout; 3♣ = takeout with extras? Perhaps they adjusted this to a 2♥ opening and "saved" a step.

[gwnn]

I saw (3H)-4C as takeout, duly passed out with a hand (I think) 5-2 in the minors, dummy saying afterwards not 'sorry pd I forgot' but 'I was too weak to bid my diamonds'