[bluecalm]

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1♣ - 2+, including 11-13,18-19 and 22-23 bal

[JLOGIC]

pass

[bluecalm]

I should've asked follow up question too:
If you pass, what do you bid when partner reopens ?

[MrAce]

Pass

bluecalm, on 2012-August-22, 01:58, said:

I should've asked follow up question too:
If you pass, what do you bid when partner reopens ?

Assuming you meant pd reopens with DBL;

5♥

Of course i can miss slam when pd has something like x AKxx Axx AQxxx but i dunno how to figure if he has this one or x AQx Axxx AKxxx - x AKxx AJx KQJxx - x AKQx JTx AKJxx
x KJxx AJx AKQxx...etc etc Basically there are too many strong hands he may hold which we lack of enough keycards. (unless of course you tell us we have a tool to learn keycards)

I would not pass after pd reopens because

-wrong vulnerability
-too many trumps by both sides
-considering that i passed previous round,i have a very good hand both in shape and in strength.
-even if bidding is wrong for this hand, opponents may make it right by bidding again or misdefending.

[han]

What are you suggesting for alternatives Bluecalm? Do you think that we should make a slam try if partner reopens? If the spade king was in hearts, I could see that being a good decision, but not with this.

[bluecalm]

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Do you think that we should make a slam try if partner reopens?

There are two things which I think are interesting:
-At the table N doubled which I think is wrong but which is considered "obvious" by many people in my country
-We were debating with a friend if after reopening double N should bid 5H or 4N followed by 5H (showing stronger hand) and if this hand qualifies for this bidding (assuming the agreement) or if it is too weak.

I don't have an opinion about 2nd. I polled two friends (both world champions in various junior categories) and one likes 5H and one prefers 4N -> 5H.

[dkham]

I would have doubled first time. Glad to see that the person at the table did the same, even if no one else so far in the poll likes it!

I wonder if it's considered "mature bridge" to pass all the time, and so that's what people say they would do that in forums, but in real life they are more excitable? I suppose it depends on whether you interpret poll questions as "What would you bid?" or "What do you think the best bid is?" I would have bid doubled at the table so that's what I went for here.

[Phil]

Partner should play me for more than this if I double.

[TimG]

bluecalm, on 2012-August-22, 03:55, said:

-We were debating with a friend if after reopening double N should bid 5H or 4N followed by 5H (showing stronger hand) and if this hand qualifies for this bidding (assuming the agreement) or if it is too weak.

Doesn't that depend upon what sort of values you would need for a double of 4♠? If this hand is nearly good enough for that, then the slow route to 5♥ over a balancing double can't be any better than this.

What I would do: pass 4♠ and bid a direct 5♥ over opener's reopening double.

[mfa1010]

bluecalm, on 2012-August-22, 03:55, said:

There are two things which I think are interesting:
-At the table N doubled which I think is wrong but which is considered "obvious" by many people in my country
-We were debating with a friend if after reopening double N should bid 5H or 4N followed by 5H (showing stronger hand) and if this hand qualifies for this bidding (assuming the agreement) or if it is too weak.

I don't have an opinion about 2nd. I polled two friends (both world champions in various junior categories) and one likes 5H and one prefers 4N -> 5H.

Pass and then 5♥. Issuing a slam try with 0 key cards and no queen of trumps seems like begging for a two ace disaster in 6.

[gszes]

p will not reopen a minimum unless they have 3 aces. Which should mean
if p reopens they wil almost always have the 18+ hand. Anytime they have the
18 + hand we need to be able to show the difference btn a very marginal hand
and the more robust model we currently have. If p reopens with 3 aces min
I still like our chances in 5h or at worst down 1.

After p reopens with x i will bid 4n and convert 5 c/d to 5h to show how close to
slam my hand seems to be.

BTW all this talk about p reopening means I will not take any action over 4s that
will give my p the impression I am significantly stronger and thus I will

pass

[mfa1010]

gszes, on 2012-August-22, 14:24, said:

p will not reopen a minimum unless they have 3 aces. Which should mean
if p reopens they wil almost always have the 18+ hand.

This is lol. Partner has made a take-out double of 4♠ so he has promised sufficient values for that. The more useful shape he has the less extra values he needs, and vice versa. He has not promised some exact number of aces.

[bluecalm]

Meanwhile when I am wondering if partner is obliged to reopen with 18-19 there are players who double with 12-14 :-)
And I thought I am aggressive reopener...

[dake50]

-We were debating with a friend if after reopening double N should bid 5H or 4N followed by 5H (showing stronger hand) and if this hand qualifies for this bidding (assuming the agreement) or if it is too weak.

*** 4N, then 5H has an Ace plus 'cards'.
*** Immediate has no Ace, maybe 'cards'.

[gszes]

mfa1010, on 2012-August-22, 15:27, said:

This is lol. Partner has made a take-out double of 4♠ so he has promised sufficient values for that. The more useful shape he has the less extra values he needs, and vice versa. He has not promised some exact number of aces.

at this vulnerability --- there is an overwhelming probability that p will
try very hard to leave any x in for penalty while maybe A AK (in short suits)
has some utility to actually consider reentering the bidding here (with x) at
these colors you better have 3 aces. That does not mean all hands are
excluded from reentering the bidding just that x is not a reasonable option.
For EX:
void KQxx KQxx QJTxx may be a reasonbale (though still scary) hand to
reenter the bidding here but it is reentered wtih 4n not x.