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The rented GIB in this case was of the lesser intelligent variety, so what follows may be of no interest to the developers. But in case you are interested, check out the alert descriptions of the 2C and 3C rebids by GIB.
At least its bidding was consistent with the explanations. I was taught that to rebid a suit ideally you needed to have 6 of them. 5 at a pinch. But to rebid it twice with a 4 card suit, and then to have the alert show that this is systemic and not some weird judgement aberration is, well, weird. Really not sure what its objection was to rebidding 1NT over 1S. And then to pull partner's 2N??
Anyway, hope this displays OK - my first attempt at posting a lin file in the forum.
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Alert typo and bidding judgement
#1
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Posted 2012-August-22, 15:12
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
s
t
r-m
nd
ing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2012-August-22, 15:14
OK that didn't work. I shall try another method.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2012-August-22, 15:32
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2012-August-22, 15:56
You almost had it perfect in the first post.
The end of the section should be
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I often change the human names at the beginning to protect the innocent/guilty from any embarrassment.
Agree the 2c/3c are nuts.
Basic/advanced bots often share same bidding bugs when the descriptions are wacky and making bids in early parts of the auction, so it's good that you report these, advanced bot likely does the same thing. Advanced bots differ in having better judgment late in auctions, like deciding to go to game or slam after invitations, and whether to compete more. Where basic bots really do a ton worse than advanced is in the play.
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Posted 2012-August-22, 16:23
Thanks. Had I thought about it I would have anonymised CHO and LHO. Will remember next time. Fortunately they were spectators on this hand.
What struck me as particularly odd was that it was not even a contested auction, and we are talking about 2-level and 3-level bids in what seems like a pretty common scenario.
Oh, well, onward and upward.
What struck me as particularly odd was that it was not even a contested auction, and we are talking about 2-level and 3-level bids in what seems like a pretty common scenario.
Oh, well, onward and upward.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2012-August-22, 17:32
Given people's proclivities toward Walsh bypassing of 1d, I think 1c-1d-1h-1s is an extremely rare auction compared to olden days when people bid up-the-line, hence not debugged. Most wests bid 1s over 1c, and many easts bid 1nt over 1d.
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Posted 2012-August-25, 07:48
Steven Tu, 1 ♠ is defined by GIB as fourth suit- reasonable chance of that being used. I don't any of the bidding is good- the GIB bidding process is ill-defined so GIB easily gets lost when its left to simulate the hands. It doesn't matter what people general bid- its what you agree with partner or in GIB's case what its internal rules specify that matter. I'd say its better for GIB to bid 1NT over 1D to express the hand shape then partner can put in 2S (if he wishes) to express the invitational+ hand 1 Round forcing. Given his hand strongish the danger of opponents interfering is greatly lessened. I doubt they (most likely Ginsberg) put any work into such hand definition- I'd hate to play with Fred if he really thinks this sloppy system creation is acceptable.
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Posted 2012-September-15, 13:33
1NT rebid is fixed for the next update. There was a bug making this call to be skipped. Length explanations are also fixed.
Where is the typo in the explanation(s)?
Where is the typo in the explanation(s)?
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Posted 2012-September-15, 14:56
If 3♣ is a sign-off, shouldn't it have a much lower maximum pointcount than 21HCP or 22total?
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