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The most common card played to the 13th trick

#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2012-August-17, 13:54

What is the most common card played to the 13th trick?

I have a theory.
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Posted 2012-August-17, 13:58

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Posted 2012-August-17, 13:58

Does it involve beer?
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Posted 2012-August-17, 14:40

7 is a cute ;) theory but I would posit that it is a (no guess as to which one)
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Posted 2012-August-17, 15:00

The first card played to the 13th trick or the last card played to the 13th trick or the card that wins the 13th trick?
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Posted 2012-August-17, 15:34

View Postdwar0123, on 2012-August-17, 15:00, said:

The first card played to the 13th trick or the last card played to the 13th trick or the card that wins the 13th trick?


I think he meant any of the 4 cards in the 13th trick.
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Posted 2012-August-17, 16:00

In context (e.g. small trump), or the actual card?
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Posted 2012-August-17, 16:29

"What is the most common card played to the 13th trick?"

I'm looking for the rank.
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Posted 2012-August-17, 17:02

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Posted 2012-August-17, 17:20

Using the admittedly small sample of the 32 hands I've played today, I get:
2: 8
3: 7
4: 7
5: 5
6: 7
7: 7
8: 11
9: 10
T: 12
J: 10
Q: 16
K: 19
A: 9
total: 128
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Posted 2012-August-17, 17:55

My own frequency table for 32 deals played online:

A: 1
K: 4
Q: 5
J: 5
T: 5*
9: 4*
8: 4
7: 1
6: 0
5: 1
4: 1
3: 0
2: 1

Total: 32 cards on 8 unclaimed deals

My own theory: Honor cards will be most frequent. There may be some self-selection in my deals because frequent claims on deals may impact results, but discarding by defenders make their cards most frequently honor cards, since those are rarely discarded, but aces will be relatively infrequent in general, since those control cards are frequently used early in the play.




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Posted 2012-August-17, 18:00

No question in my mind it will be a high honour, likely not the ace.

Toss up Q or K, slight edge to Q
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Posted 2012-August-17, 19:25

I should qualify it to exclude claims, otherwise you'd have to make arbitrary rules about the order of remaining tricks.

I'm surprised to see middle honors in the samples. I would have expected the 9 or 10.
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Posted 2012-August-17, 21:29

The guys at the 1st Youth Congress gave me the file with all the hands played during the swiss tournament, all the cards were as likely to be led to the first trick. No last trick there though. I'd think it'd be more or less the same...

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2012-August-20, 10:32

Surely it will be a middle spade. 7,8,9 of spades would be my guess. Feels like you are always winning the last trick with a middle trump, the small ones go ruffing and under the spade honours, the higher ones are used drawing trumps. Spades is the most common denomination for trumps.
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Posted 2012-August-20, 14:51

Short test grabbing hands from bridgebrowser... this was a small sample, i have a spreadsheet for pulling this information out, so I can make it a very large set of data if it is really important.

Cards played to the last trick.... the winner is the jack...... so far, i can look at 10,000 hands or more if better statistical numbers are needed.

A: 116
K: 318
Q: 405
J: 424
10: 388
9: 274
8: 279
7: 163
6: 103
5: 73
4: 61
3: 33
2: 31

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Posted 2012-August-20, 15:03

Perfect, thanks Ben.
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Posted 2012-August-20, 15:26

View PostPhil, on 2012-August-20, 15:03, said:

Perfect, thanks Ben.


WELL, here is data from 10,000 hands (only 6243 played all the way to trick 13,,, now the Q is the "winner")


A: 1337
K: 2602
Q: 3256
J: 3156
10: 3045
9: 2473
8: 1962
7: 1358
6: 1003
5: 658
4: 490
3: 307
2: 177
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Posted 2012-August-20, 19:49

What if you get specific to the suit?

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Posted 2012-August-20, 19:55

Does excluding claims bias the results? Maybe bad players never claim so it doesn't matter. I'm not sure if it's relevant, but when you have aces to win the last trick with or high trumps a claim is more likely to be made.

FWIW I also thought it would be the ten of spades or something liek that.
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