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Poll: your rebid (19 member(s) have cast votes)

your rebid?

  1. 2c (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  2. 2nt (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  3. 3s (13 votes [68.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.42%

  4. other (2 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

  5. 3c (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  6. 4s (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

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#1 User is online   mike777 

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Posted 2012-July-30, 10:24

You hold……



KQT9xx,Ax,Ax,KJx



Matchpoints……..the opponents are silent.



You open 1S, partner bids a FORCING NT.



What is your rebid and why.

edit...added 3c and 4s to the poll options.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 11:02

No, we don't have a gadget to show 6 spades and invite game, other than 3S.

Whether 1NT was forcing or not doesn't seem to matter.

Edit: make the hand a bit stronger, and we do have a gadget of sorts: 3N=Game and 6th spade.

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2012-July-30, 11:07

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Posted 2012-July-30, 11:06

 aguahombre, on 2012-July-30, 11:02, said:

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Whether 1NT was forcing or not doesn't seem to matter.


Why doesn't it matter? The way I learned 2/1, a 2nt rebid here wd have promised 18-19 points. But in sayc it's 15-17 I think. I don't know how "standard" that is, but i met plenty people on BBO playing it like me, even without prior agreement.

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Posted 2012-July-30, 11:10

 diana_eva, on 2012-July-30, 11:06, said:

Why doesn't it matter? The way I learned 2/1, a 2nt rebid here wd have promised 18-19 points. But in sayc it's 15-17 I think. I don't know how "standard" that is, but i met plenty people on BBO playing it like me, even without prior agreement.

Did you notice the hand is not 5-3-3-2?
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Posted 2012-July-30, 11:50

I'm on the fence between 3♠ and 4♠.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 12:00

 aguahombre, on 2012-July-30, 11:10, said:

Did you notice the hand is not 5-3-3-2?


Yes. I don't think it's unreasonable to at least consider a 2NT rebid in MPs.

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Posted 2012-July-30, 12:15

 diana_eva, on 2012-July-30, 12:00, said:

Yes. I don't think it's unreasonable to at least consider a 2NT rebid in MPs.

In that case, the fact that 1NT was Forcing does indeed matter.

SAYC does allow for a 2NT rebid with 15-17, but in SAYC 1NT is not forcing, SO:

Since we are in a 2/1 style, considering a 2NT rebid is considering a misstatement of both our points and our number of spades. Whether that is reasonable to do is up to you. I would rather not.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 12:27

 aguahombre, on 2012-July-30, 12:15, said:

In that case, the fact that 1NT was Forcing does indeed matter.

SAYC does allow for a 2NT rebid with 15-17, but in SAYC 1NT is not forcing, SO:

Since we are in a 2/1 style, considering a 2NT rebid is considering a misstatement of both our points and our number of spades. Whether that is reasonable to do is up to you. I would rather not.


Yup :) Now you see why I said 1nt forcing matters.

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Posted 2012-July-30, 13:41

Doesn't look like the right hand mess around with 2NT to me ... opponents are likely to figure out which Ax to lead and my black suit tricks are slow. I bid 3S at MP ... might bid 4S at IMPs.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 13:47

I would strongly consider 2N, since 17 with a decent 6-bagger sure feels like 18, plus if partner has Qxx(xx) opp my Ax, it's protected on lead. But I think 3S is pretty normal as well.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 13:52

3♠ is blindingly obvious. I would give a moments thought to 2♣, if my spades were weaker.

2N and 3N are genii calls. I don't know what 4♠ is.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 13:52

Our problem is that we are worth three and a half spades. Neither 2♣ nor 2NT helps to solve that problem. 2♣ followed by three spades suggests a weaker spade suit, not this hand. I would bid 3♠, but 4♠ is tempting.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 20:47

This hand is right in between 3♣ and 3♠. I think 3♠ is enough as partner will expect 15-17 and 6 spade cards with a semi solid suit. 6 controls is only slightly rich. Can't count on 5 losers yet. I recall we play 3N hoere as solid spades usually 7 cards long.

2N is either 18-19 balanced or Mekstroth Extension (Articifial 18+ GF). Do not like 2N with this hand.

(Usually when I bid 3C with this hand partner has his A and out 1NT flyer, while when I bid 3♠ partner has a ♠void for me with 2 red queen/jacks and 3 small clubs..... :blink: )
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Posted 2012-July-30, 21:36

3S of course. Even the thought of 2C makes me roll around the floor with laughter - bidding a fake suit when you have 6 good S. Unbelievable!
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Posted 2012-July-31, 03:19

3♠ playing Standard. 2♥ followed by 2NT playing transfer rebids.
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Posted 2012-July-31, 06:17

3NT

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Posted 2012-July-31, 06:58

hand was

x,T8x,KJ9x,Axxxx



KQT9xx,Ax,Ax,KJx
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Posted 2012-July-31, 07:08

Hi,

either 3S or 4S, depending on mood, playing MP - 3S is clearly better than 4S.

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Posted 2012-July-31, 10:34

 the hog, on 2012-July-30, 21:36, said:

3S of course. Even the thought of 2C makes me roll around the floor with laughter - bidding a fake suit when you have 6 good S. Unbelievable!

I have to agree! If I can't bid 3♠ with 6223, 17, and good spades, then bridge is becoming too hard for me.
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Posted 2012-July-31, 10:47

 mike777, on 2012-July-31, 06:58, said:

hand was

x,T8x,KJ9x,Axxxx



KQT9xx,Ax,Ax,KJx

O.K. Still doesn't change opener's rebid. Responder does whatever he chooses afterward, which wasn't part of the question in this thread ---reassured in the aftermath that opener is or is not a mastermind
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