[yin970902]

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play 2/1,what is your choice?why?

• X
  
• 1NT
  
• Pass

If notvulnerable VS notvulnerable,is your choice the same?

[MrAce]

yin970902, on 2012-June-27, 20:47, said:

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play 2/1,what is your choice?why?

• X
  
• 1NT
  
• Pass

If notvaluable VS notvaluable,is your choice the same?

If my options are limited to these 3 then definetely pass. Cue or 2♦ are flawed alternatives i guess.


Pass and bid 2♠ when pd doubles would be my plan.

[mike777]

1nt no problem yet

not going to over worry about right siding the hand at expense of pass.


1nt tells my shape and strength in one bid.

[SteveMoe]

Liking Pass then 2♦ over partner's expected reopening double. Nice 9 not worthy of 2♠ cue IMO.

[Phil]

Easy pass. If partner passes I'm happy knowing they are in a Burns Fit.

If he doubles, I have a mild problem. If he has a stiff spade he has five clubs. If he has a doubleton spade the worst shape he could be is 2434 but otherwise he will have 5 clubs. In any case clubs will probably play better than diamonds so I'd opt for a 3♣ rebid.

[mike777]

you can see the problem if you pass posters over dble will bid:
2s or 2d or 3c...etc..

[MrAce]

mike777, on 2012-June-27, 23:06, said:

you can see the problem if you pass posters over dble will bid:
2s or 2d or 3c...etc..

I have no problem, i believe cue tells perfectly my hand after my initial pass. It says;

-I cant convert to penalty
-I dont have 4♥
-I dont have a ♣ fit
-I dont have a 5-6 card ♦ suit
-I cant bid NT now, i couldnt bid previous round either.
-I have the max hcp available for my previous pass.


If this is a problem, i wish all problems i faced in bidding was like this

If there is a pd who cant tell what i have, i think my problem is bigger than you think.

[yin970902]

thanks all experts!
North's hand is as this :
♠ AQ7
♥ Q653
♦ 965
♣ A102

[mike777]

yin970902, on 2012-June-28, 00:06, said:

thanks all experts!
North's hand is as this :
♠ AQ7
♥ Q653
♦ 965
♣ A102

so our options are to play 1nt or to defend 1s vul

[MrAce]

yin970902, on 2012-June-28, 00:06, said:

thanks all experts!
North's hand is as this :
♠ AQ7
♥ Q653
♦ 965
♣ A102

Good, pd will pass and we will defend 1♠ in our 4-3 fit and 22 hcp.

This is better because it could be us who was playing 1♠. Now if we take 7 tricks we will recieve 100 instead of 80, if we take 8 tricks we will recieve +200 instead of +110 and if we take 9 tricks we will recieve +300 instead of +140. We will bail -80 instead of -100 if we take 6 tricks, we will bail -110 instead of -200 if we take only 5 tricks, and we will bail -140 if we take 4 tricks instead of -300.

Hell, i like this

[mfa1010]

Pass then 2♠ over partner's double if he had one.

[rhm]

mike777, on 2012-June-28, 00:31, said:

so our options are to play 1nt or to defend 1s vul

No our options are to play 1NT from the right side or the wrong side.
Bidding 1NT when RHO has over-called is often fatally flawed even when you have a stopper like Kxx.
When 1♠ is passed round to opener, he still has the option between pass and 1NT. Claiming that a 1NT rebid now shows 18-19 is wrong in my humble opinion.
The bidding tells you that partner would not have passed without the overcall.
All indications are when advancer does not keep the bidding open, that you own half the deck unless you think your partner must always find a bid with modest values after an overcall even if nothing fits, because Pass guarantees no values. I much prefer that bids after an overcall are descriptive and Pass is neutral.

The situation is quite comparable to 1♠-p-p. Nobody plays that you need a strong hand to reopen with 1NT because your partner did not come in over the opening bid.

Chances that you get hurt by this approach are negligible.

Rainer Herrmann

[the_clown]

rhm, on 2012-June-28, 04:49, said:

No our options are to play 1NT from the right side or the wrong side.
Bidding 1NT when RHO has over-called is often fatally flawed even when you have a stopper like Kxx.
When 1♠ is passed round to opener, he still has the option between pass and 1NT. Claiming that a 1NT rebid now shows 18-19 is wrong in my humble opinion.
The bidding tells you that partner would not have passed without the overcall.
All indications are when advancer does not keep the bidding open, that you own half the deck unless you think your partner must always find a bid with modest values after an overcall even if nothing fits, because Pass guarantees no values. I much prefer that bids after an overcall are descriptive and Pass is neutral.

The situation is quite comparable to 1♠-p-p. Nobody plays that you need a strong hand to reopen with 1NT because your partner did not come in over the opening bid.

Chances that you get hurt by this approach are negligible.

Rainer Herrmann

So with the 18-19 NT you would rather double and then bid 2N?

[rhm]

the_clown, on 2012-June-28, 05:34, said:

So with the 18-19 NT you would rather double and then bid 2N?

Yes

A potential loss for this approach. I gain in many more circumstances.

Rainer Herrmann

[lalldonn]

This is an incredibly obvious pass. You are so happy when partner passes it out. If he doesn't then you can bid strongly and he will have an idea what type of hand you have.

And Phil, 1♣ 1♠ P P X P 2NT!

[Phil]

lalldonn, on 2012-June-28, 08:12, said:

This is an incredibly obvious pass. You are so happy when partner passes it out. If he doesn't then you can bid strongly and he will have an idea what type of hand you have.

And Phil, 1♣ 1♠ P P X P 2NT!

Showing slightly better diamonds than clubs? I like the concept, but 3N is on the radar, and I'd still like to rightside.

[aguahombre]

rhm, on 2012-June-28, 04:49, said:

When 1♠ is passed round to opener, he still has the option between pass and 1NT. Claiming that a 1NT rebid now shows 18-19 is wrong in my humble opinion.

Chances that you get hurt by this approach are negligible.

IMHO, the chances of gain from rebalancing 1NT on a 3-4-3-3 12-count are negligible. But, I have the advantage of having read Phil's and Timo's posts, in case I didn't already know what they said was correct.

[lalldonn]

Phil, on 2012-June-28, 08:32, said:

Showing slightly better diamonds than clubs? I like the concept, but 3N is on the radar, and I'd still like to rightside.

Opposite what hand? 18-19 balanced with spade stopper = 1NT not X, except maybe Ax. Even if you don't totally agree with that I think it's a way more common concern that we just want to find the right suit while still showing some values just in case. My partners can certainly be 4-4 in the minors.

[Phil]

lalldonn, on 2012-June-28, 10:32, said:

Opposite what hand? 18-19 balanced with spade stopper = 1NT not X, except maybe Ax. Even if you don't totally agree with that I think it's a way more common concern that we just want to find the right suit while still showing some values just in case. My partners can certainly be 4-4 in the minors.

Mine cannot be 4-4. I was more worried about ♠Kx.

However, I like the idea. Its the 2nd good one I've heard from you in the last 5 years, so you are definitely one of my favorite 20 posters!

[aguahombre]

Phil, on 2012-June-27, 22:13, said:

Easy pass. If partner passes I'm happy knowing they are in a Burns Fit.

If he doubles, I have a mild problem. If he has a stiff spade he has five clubs. If he has a doubleton spade the worst shape he could be is 2434 but otherwise he will have 5 clubs. In any case clubs will probably play better than diamonds so I'd opt for a 3♣ rebid.

Pass is truly easy. Pass then 2♠ or pass then 3♣ will probably cure partner of reopening with a double with 2-4-3-4 and 12-14.

Weak Notrumpers don't get to gloat this time. They wouldn't get the chance on the given hands to defend 1S and competent opps won't be bidding 2S; plus, they would have the same issues if 1S came back around and they held partner's king for a 15-count.