No special agreements over 3H. Your replies to 2NT would have been slightly different from standard Jacoby, but I don't think that matters at this point. Now what?
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Bidding a 5-5
#1
Posted 2012-May-02, 10:37
No special agreements over 3H. Your replies to 2NT would have been slightly different from standard Jacoby, but I don't think that matters at this point. Now what?
#3
Posted 2012-May-02, 11:40
You can taylor-make some agreements for your system when there is this type of interference ( a bid AFTER partner's 2NT! ).
When Spades are trump, it is pretty easy -- say for simple Jacoby and 3H interference:
DBL = "stole my bid" = ♥-shortness -- and this is something you always want to show ( or imply ).
And the other bids can remain the same :
3S = extras, no shortness
4S = minimum, no shortness
4C/4D = 2nd 5 card suit ( ergo shortness somewhere -- most likely in the overcall suit, ♥ )
It would be RARE to have shortness in a different suit other than the overcall suit, but you can work out a system to show that.
When Hearts are trump, you have to "tweak" the replies a bit.
When Spades are trump, it is pretty easy -- say for simple Jacoby and 3H interference:
DBL = "stole my bid" = ♥-shortness -- and this is something you always want to show ( or imply ).
And the other bids can remain the same :
3S = extras, no shortness
4S = minimum, no shortness
4C/4D = 2nd 5 card suit ( ergo shortness somewhere -- most likely in the overcall suit, ♥ )
It would be RARE to have shortness in a different suit other than the overcall suit, but you can work out a system to show that.
When Hearts are trump, you have to "tweak" the replies a bit.
Don Stenmark
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"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
#4
Posted 2012-May-02, 14:20
I held this hand at the same club that night, playing roughly the same methods as Jeff. I chose 4♠, and pulled partner's X of 5♥ to 5♠. I believe we'd get 500 from 5♥, so that wasn't particularly clever, but 450 at least got me to average (when I'd played it).
I thought 4s portrayed lots of offense with little defense and little slam interest -- which is how I felt about this hand.
Brian Zaugg
I thought 4s portrayed lots of offense with little defense and little slam interest -- which is how I felt about this hand.
Brian Zaugg
"I suggest a chapter on "strongest dummy opposite my free bids." For example, someone might wonder how I once put this hand down as dummy in a spade contract: AQ10xxx void AKQxx KQ. Did I start with Michaels? Did I cuebid until partner was forced to pick one of my suits? No, I was just playing with Brian (6S made when the trump king dropped singleton)." David Wright
#5
Posted 2012-May-02, 16:32
I would hate any bid which takes up a lot of room like 4 ♠ without showing something of interesst, f.e. an balanced hand with nothing extras, espacially not with a heart void.
I would like to have a lot more overall strength for 4 heart, so I simply pass or double, depending on the agreement I have. As I seem to have no clear agreement about a double and this could be very well interpreted as penalty, I better pass for now and await the development.
I would like to have a lot more overall strength for 4 heart, so I simply pass or double, depending on the agreement I have. As I seem to have no clear agreement about a double and this could be very well interpreted as penalty, I better pass for now and await the development.
Kind Regards
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#6
Posted 2012-May-02, 18:04
I'm not going to offer a specific answer. What I am going to say is in two parts.
1. It is very important, if you want to play seriously, to have specific agreements about competition over J2N. My most current system notes (I am retired at least for now from any serious partnership) detail agreements over 3 and 4 level interference. Having such agreements, even if sub-optimum, is better than guessing and hoping partner is on the same wavelength.
2. When the opps bid J2N, stretch to interfere, especially in a suit in which you want the lead. Few partnerships will settle for a 3-level penalty (or even a 4 level penalty) and many partnerships, even of experts, won't have agreements...well-oiled ones will, but experts aren't always playing in their well-established partnerships.
1. It is very important, if you want to play seriously, to have specific agreements about competition over J2N. My most current system notes (I am retired at least for now from any serious partnership) detail agreements over 3 and 4 level interference. Having such agreements, even if sub-optimum, is better than guessing and hoping partner is on the same wavelength.
2. When the opps bid J2N, stretch to interfere, especially in a suit in which you want the lead. Few partnerships will settle for a 3-level penalty (or even a 4 level penalty) and many partnerships, even of experts, won't have agreements...well-oiled ones will, but experts aren't always playing in their well-established partnerships.
'one of the great markers of the advance of human kindness is the howls you will hear from the Men of God' Johann Hari
#7
Posted 2012-May-03, 02:46
You can build a defence as Don suggests, you can build a defence based on DOPI, or, if you have time and an agile brain, you can codify stuff to try and optimise. Just looking at Don's suggestion, it might be interesting to add to that Pass as either wanting to penalise them or a shortage in a lower suit. Then Opener doubles with any hand that would pass a penalty double and Responder either passes for penalty or shows their shortage.
As an aside, I agree with Mike's 2 points completely, especially the second which is often forgotten.
As an aside, I agree with Mike's 2 points completely, especially the second which is often forgotten.
(-: Zel :-)
#8
Posted 2012-May-03, 05:06
Absent special agreements, I will bid 3♠, which should show a more offensive hand than pass or double, but not 4♥, which IMHO should show some extras I don't have. 4♠ should show a hand where I suddenly regret having opened which is certainly not the case here.
"One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"
-- Bertrand Russell
-- Bertrand Russell
#9
Posted 2012-May-03, 05:21
The most important question is, "do we control" the suit bid. Double should show shortness and any new suit bid must also show a control of the enemy suit,A or K.
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