[TWO4BRIDGE]

EDIT: side question ...see post # 8
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2/1 system

1S - ( X ) - 4C = ??

Natural and weak, or splinter ?

This post has been edited by TWO4BRIDGE: 2012-May-02, 10:55

[the hog]

I play it as fit showing.

[Phil]

Splinter. I don't know anyone that plays it as weak.

[the_clown]

Fitjump for me, 4 card support and very good side suit.

[Zelandakh]

Choose between a splinter (ITD) and fit-showing (jump in competition). Perhaps the choice of meaning might depend on whether the opponents are playing ELC.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Zelandakh, on 2012-May-02, 04:11, said:

Choose between a splinter (ITD) and fit-showing (jump in competition). Perhaps the choice of meaning might depend on whether the opponents are playing ELC.

Help me out on the shorthand:

ITD = ?

ELC = ?

[Zelandakh]

Sorry! ITD = ignore the double; ELC = equal level conversion.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

the_clown, on 2012-May-02, 00:24, said:

Fitjump for me, 4 card support and very good side suit.

For those who say a fit-showing-jump, what would a single-jump mean :

1S - ( X ) - 3C = ??

[mikeh]

To me would be splinter.

I like 3OM to be undefined splinter, and thus 4 level is void splinter, but absent that agreement, 4♣ is just a routine splinter.

While I use a modified bergen wo competition, I prefer to use fit showing jumps to 3 minor.

I can see pros and cons for splinter or fit-showing for 4♣, if your partnership feels that 3 level jumps are better used for other purposes.

Thus I think the answer is: it means whatever you and partner agree, and that such agreement has to include a coherent 2 and 3 and 4 level structure.

In a casual expert partnership, I would assume splinter

[gnasher]

I normally play both 3♣ and 4♣ as fit jumps. 4♣ says that you want to bid to the four-level; 3♣ says that you don't.

[FrancesHinden]

I normally play both 3♣ and 4♣ as fit jumps. 4♣ says you want to pre-empt to the four level with a club suit on the side (you can double next round with extra offence). 3♣ either says you don't want to drive the 4-level or has sound limit raise values and will double/bid game next round to show defence.

[gnasher]

On reflection, I think I play what Frances said. 4♣ will always be fairly distributional, so there must be some more balanced hands that bid 3♣ and then have another go.