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Is Your Spidey-Sense Tingling?

Poll: Is Your Spidey-Sense Tingling? (31 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you double, or at least consider it?

  1. Doubling is obvious (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. I would consider doubling and would probably do it (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  3. I would consider it but probably wouldn't do it (6 votes [19.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.35%

  4. Doubling is crazy (24 votes [77.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 77.42%

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#1 User is offline   daveharty 

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Posted 2012-May-01, 12:53



Would you consider doubling here, or is it off the charts? If your answer depends on the form of scoring, please elaborate.
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Posted 2012-May-01, 13:27

On what am I basing a double? The fact that the opps appear to have minimum values for game and I have AQ98x of hearts over the heart bidder? Both valid points, but not close to enough to double.

We do not know for sure that the opps are minimum for their actions. The opening bidder has not limited his hand too severly by the 1♠ rebid. We know that responder (declarer in 3NT) has game invitational values and that opener accepted. But opener could have extras.

What are you leading against 3NT? Surely not a heart. Opener appears to have no more than 4 clubs, possibly less, so partner rates to have some clubs. So, if you are doubling, a club lead makes some sense. So, too, might a spade lead, with 4 small.

I am not doubling 3NT. I am leading a club.
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Posted 2012-May-01, 13:33

Even though LHO can have some extras, this looks like a x.

Oh, and I lead a heart.

edit - OK, I'd really like to be at the table for this one.
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Posted 2012-May-01, 13:52

I'm concerned that their real source of tricks is in ♣ with rho having 4♥ and a bunch of those.

Positionally, that makes double a Hail Mary. I'm out but I'll lead a heart and hope for the best.

ps. I'll lead 5th best and hope for a lazy cover from Jxxx when pard (hopefully) returns one
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Posted 2012-May-01, 13:56

If partner was on lead and I was over the hearts, double would have some merit, if I double now and lead a heart, I deserve opps to be 17 opposite 11, partner to have a stiff heart and opps to make 12 tricks.
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Posted 2012-May-01, 13:58

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-May-01, 13:56, said:

If partner was on lead and I was over the hearts, double would have some merit, if I double now and lead a heart, I deserve opps to be 17 opposite 11, partner to have a stiff heart and opps to make 12 tricks.

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Posted 2012-May-01, 14:05

double is insane. They could have 18 opp 11, and as someone mentioned you will get redoubled when LHO is very strong. You also don't have a great lead (I assume you'll lead a heart(?) but that could work out poorly if partner has a stiff or w/e).

Also, even though partners honors are behind LHOs in the pointed suits, we have length which is bad to go with no honors. It's not like we have short pointed suits as well, so that we can at least hope partner has tricks there with like KTxx, or KJ9x or whatever.
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Posted 2012-May-01, 14:06

Also, their source of tricks might be clubs lol, and those will be onside. I spec X more than almost anyone and I think this one is very bad.
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Posted 2012-May-01, 15:14

Justin beat me to the post: I can't imagine a spec double with this hand for the points made by him and, earlier, by Art
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Posted 2012-May-01, 15:40



I thought about doubling, but didn't, and led a spade. The contract was down two. I was just curious if anyone else would be tempted enough to pull the trigger.
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Posted 2012-May-01, 16:53

Amusingly, right after making this post I went to play and had Jxx KQT8xxx A xx r/r. 2N on my elft, 3S forcing 3N on my right, 3N on my left (2N 3N is artificial). I ripped it...pepsi on my left had AJxx of hearts and was smart enough to redouble knowing my hearts weren't running. -1400.
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Posted 2012-May-01, 16:58

View Postdaveharty, on 2012-May-01, 15:40, said:



I thought about doubling, but didn't, and led a spade. The contract was down two. I was just curious if anyone else would be tempted enough to pull the trigger.

Now swap the A♦/4♥ and 95♣ and see how good that double is on a spade lead, 3Nxx+1, much too risky.
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Posted 2012-May-02, 06:07

At the table you might double if you thought that the 3NT bidder thought for a while before bidding 3NT.
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Posted 2012-May-02, 08:03

I think North has a better chance of doubling, holding AQT in diamonds.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-May-02, 11:58

View PostHanoi5, on 2012-May-02, 08:03, said:

I think North has a better chance of doubling, holding AQT in diamonds.

... and the ♠K. Plus his partner is on lead for the diamond.
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Posted 2012-May-03, 13:50

read the opinions posted here and hope that your
spidey-sense tingles (warning you of danger) whenever
you start thinking of making a gambling x with
little/no reason to try it:))))))))))))))
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Posted 2012-May-03, 16:02

View Postgszes, on 2012-May-03, 13:50, said:

read the opinions posted here and hope that your
spidey-sense tingles (warning you of danger) whenever
you start thinking of making a gambling x with
little/no reason to try it:))))))))))))))

A cautionary tale. Wildest 24 board match I ever played, we won 75-73 after somebody doubled 3N off something more suitable than this, partner was sure I'd psyched but felt he really had to XX opposite my opening bid with his 16 count, I had a 9 count with a 6 card suit, I didn't find the obscure squeeze for the second overtrick and chalked up 1400 for 3Nxx+1.
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Posted 2012-May-15, 01:26

Double makes more sense from north hand. A diamond lead for -3 or 4
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