[jillybean]

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[phil_20686]

Feels like this is a very system dependent question.

Can opener have a wk nt?
Did south have a waiting bid/relay available e.g. 2NT in 2/1 normally asks partner to bid out his shape.
Why did south not mention is diamond suit. People argue things like you should concentrate on your hearts, but most people would raise hearts directly with 3, so after 1s-2h-2s-3d- it is normal to give FP into hearts with two hearts and six spades, unless your spades are v good. Could also score a huge jackpot if partner is some weak 5053 or even 5143.

Having said all that, feels like its right to bid 4H. Obviously you could be cold for a slam here, but too hard to investigate now.

[aguahombre]

I certainly disagree with the idea of bidding 3D on the previous round instead of rebidding the 7-bagger. However, I want to bid 4D now...not to search for a diamond fit, but to remove 3nt with this suit-oriented hand; and if I re-re-bid 4H, it would not suggest the slam potential we have.

Hearts are trump. Need partner to know we are not looking for strain any more. However, it is just possible pard is something like 5-0-5-3, and could not have bid any other way up to this point.

Yes, I would expect partner to simply bid 4H with a stiff or void, there and weakness. If I had only 6H, we would be in 3NT, or I would pull 4H myself to keep on with slam probe.

[jillybean]

phil_20686, on 2012-April-04, 19:35, said:

Feels like this is a very system dependent question.

Can opener have a wk nt?

yes

phil_20686, on 2012-April-04, 19:35, said:

Did south have a waiting bid/relay available e.g. 2NT in 2/1 normally asks partner to bid out his shape.

No, but I like the suggestion.

phil_20686, on 2012-April-04, 19:35, said:

Why did south not mention is diamond suit. People argue things like you should concentrate on your hearts, but most people would raise hearts directly with 3, so after 1s-2h-2s-3d- it is normal to give FP into hearts with two hearts and six spades, unless your spades are v good. Could also score a huge jackpot if partner is some weak 5053 or even 5143.

2♦ looks good now, I didn't think of it at the time.

phil_20686, on 2012-April-04, 19:35, said:

Having said all that, feels like its right to bid 4H. Obviously you could be cold for a slam here, but too hard to investigate now.

So how do these differ?
1♠ 2♥ 2♠ 3♥ (2623 ?)
1♠ 2♥ 2♠ 3♦ (x54x,x64x ?)
1♠ 2♥ 2♠ 2N* waiting ?

[PetteriLem]

Opener should not have weak nt, because he should have raised hearts already. I am actually surprised that he has not raised hearts at all. He has at most a singleton heart with scattered values and thinks 3NT plays much better than 4♥. If I now bid 4♥, did I show slam interest? I think I did. I would probably bid 4♦, because it allowes partner look at his hand one more time.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I guess 2H was gf, and I would also guess, that 3H sets trumps.

I would make a mild try with 4D, but will pass 4H from partner.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[phil_20686]

jillybean, on 2012-April-04, 21:31, said:

So how do these differ?
1♠ 2♥ 2♠ 3♥ (2623 ?)
1♠ 2♥ 2♠ 3♦ (x54x,x64x ?)
1♠ 2♥ 2♠ 2N* waiting ?

So for me the third is the default action, taken with most not very shapely hands. Partner can now show is minor if he has one, or bid his spades again if he has 6, or show a Hx heart. If partner bids 3N over 2N it is 5233. When partner chooses to show a doubleton heart he is basically always 62 in the majors.


Bidding a new suit over 2S is basically showing a hand that is unwilling to pass 3N if that is partners next bid. So 55 strong enough to look for a 53 fit, or more shapely hands. The idea being that opener should not be afraid to bypass 3N with 4 card support ever.

The first one is showing a strong six hearts. The kind that will play opposite a singleton.

I believe that some people play that if you bid 2N and bid 4H over whatever partner bids next that shows a mild slam try with a strong 7 card suit.

The best reason not to bid 3D on this hand is that we might have no idea what to do if partner raises. OTOH, we are very well placed if he bids 3H next.

[rmnka447]

2 ♠ by partner shows a minimum opener. 3 NT by partner says a number of things. Partner holds no more than 5 ♠ (otherwise 3 ♠would be logical). Partner holds no more than a singleton ♥ (3 ♥ guarantees at least 6) and if it's a singleton it's not the A ♥ (raise to 4 ♥ with that card opposite 6). Finally, partner's second suit even if it is 5 cards isn't particularly strong. It wasn't bid over 3 ♥ and for partner to bid 3 NT his fragment needs some good values.

So slam seems unlikely to me. I'm bidding 4 ♥.

[jillybean]

phil_20686, on 2012-April-04, 19:35, said:

Did south have a waiting bid/relay available e.g. 2NT in 2/1 normally asks partner to bid out his shape.

After;
1♠ 2♥
2♠ would responder jump to 3N with an NT hand or still go via 2N?

1♠ 2♥
2♠ 2N
3N I assume is an impossible auction if opener shows a false preference with ♥xx?

[phil_20686]

jillybean, on 2012-April-06, 09:00, said:

After;
1♠ 2♥
2♠ would responder jump to 3N with an NT hand or still go via 2N?

So normally a jump to 3N shows a hand with a stiff spade that has not much interest in the minors. 15(43) and doesnt want to play a 4-4 minor fit.

jillybean, on 2012-April-06, 09:00, said:

1♠ 2♥
2♠ 2N
3N I assume is an impossible auction if opener shows a false preference with ♥xx?

For me this shows a weak NT with a doubleton heart. 5233. Its also allowed to bid this way with 52(24) if you think a 4-4 diamond fit should be off the cards. Basically when you bid 3N partner should be 100% comfortable correcting to 4H with 6.

[Fluffy]

3♥ ain´t just 6 card hearts, it shows a very good suit, partner is not colaborating, so expect him to have low singleton at best.

I would still try 4♦, the hand has too much potential. 4♥ is also a mild slam try in hearts given the failure to bid 4♥ the round before. wich should be fine, but diamonds can be a better strain.

[aguahombre]

Fluffy, on 2012-April-07, 11:44, said:

4♥ is also a mild slam try in hearts given the failure to bid 4♥ the round before.

We agree on your choice to bid 4D, but disagree about 4H now or before.

1S-2H
2S-4H...the jump rebid to 4H is apparently fast-arrival weak for you; but it shows a solid suit for us. So after:

1S-2H
2S-3H
3N....4D is necessary to confirm slam interest, and 4H would be just to play.