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han, on 2012-March-28, 01:52, said:
The OP assumes a forcing notrump and an artifical 2D rebid (3+) in the natural bidding forum . . . .
I'm the OP and I don't consider a 2♦ rebid on a 3-card suit after a forcing 1NT to be artificial, any more than I would consider an opening 1♦ bid on a 3-card suit to be artificial; it's a standard rebid in a 3-card suit. If you consider it to be artificial, so be it; please don't ascribe that interpretation to me.
han, on 2012-March-28, 01:52, said:
The OP . . . points an accusing finger at those who assume that 2D shows 4.
I'm not pointing a finger at anyone; what makes you think that I am? Some have suggested that their agreement is that the 2♦ rebid promises 4, so I asked what they rebid on 5=3=3=2. Is there something wrong with trying to get a full understanding of their bidding?
han, on 2012-March-28, 01:52, said:
That doesn't make sense.
Well, I didn't do it, so if it doesn't make sense, that's fine. I try to avoid doing things that don't make sense. It appears that, here, at least, I have succeeded.
han, on 2012-March-28, 01:52, said:
Perhaps the OP thinks that you have to play forcing notrump when you play 2/1 (not true) . . . .
I don't think that. Perhaps you could ask me instead of making assumptions about me.
han, on 2012-March-28, 01:52, said:
Perhaps the OP thinks . . . that you have to rebid 2D with a 5332 shape after a forcing notrump (also not true).
I don't think that. Perhaps you could ask me instead of making assumptions about me.
han, on 2012-March-28, 01:52, said:
Gnasher and others mention that 2H is the best road to the most likely game, I agree.
That seems reasonable to me.
han, on 2012-March-28, 01:52, said:
But somewhere in the middle of the thread the OP has specified that the form of scoring is matchpoints. That makes getting to the best game much less of a consideration, in a majority of the hands we will not have a game. This hand really is not that good.
Forgive me for omitting that detail in the original post. It wasn't intentional. As soon as someone brought it to my attention, I rectified it.
han, on 2012-March-28, 01:52, said:
In the style forced upon us by the OP I think that 2H is indeed obvious. In the style where 1NT is not forcing and 2D shows 4 (which is a style that I prefer) there is more to be said for 3D or even pass. Especially with both opponents silent partner is far more likely to have a 5-1-4-3 shape than an 5-3-4-1 shape, and if partner is 5-5 then diamonds is almost certainly better than hearts.
I'd still bid 2H.
I'd still bid 2H.
I haven't forced anything on you, I simply told you the conditions under which I was playing when this hand arose.