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Posted 2012-March-06, 21:28
matchpoints. what now and why? thx for your thoughts.
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Posted 2012-March-06, 21:45
i will try 3h
cuebid or x with tough hands often seems best option.
cuebid or x with tough hands often seems best option.
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Posted 2012-March-06, 22:23
3♠, we are GF now, no?
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Posted 2012-March-07, 02:23
Statto, on 2012-March-06, 22:23, said:
3♠, we are GF now, no?
No, because 3C is not a jumpshift. Yes, it shows extras, but it could be bid significantly lighter than 1D P 1S p 3C is because in that auction you have 2C to cover a lot of ground.
I agree with 3H, normally with these spades I'd bid 4S but our hand has massive slam potential for 6C so I think 3H is a better start.
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Posted 2012-March-07, 03:45
I think it barely even shows extras, except in shape and suit quality. xx x KQJxx AQ9xx would do, wouldn't it?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-March-07, 11:54
Yes, that would certainly do.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-March-09, 04:08
If I weren't certain that 3♠ was forcing --> and I mean dead certain that partner was dead certain that it was forcing --> I would bid 4♠. I have the values for game and my spade suit tells me 4♠ is that game. If there is anything about partner's hand that suggests bidding further I have no fear that we can make whatever he chooses to bid.
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Posted 2012-March-09, 08:01
Anything but a forcing 3 ♥ looks like an underbid, okay maybe 6 ♣ or 6 ♠ shows the power of the hand too.
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Posted 2012-March-09, 14:51
3♥ for me. A good partner will bid 3♠ over that and have a 3 - 1 - 5 - 4 with the extras for me to kc to the grand.
It only takes ♠Kxx ♥x ♦Axxxx, ♣AQxx and pard has better than that in shape or points.
More likely that my next bid is 4♠ but pard is invited to the party and I have to have support for something else for not blasting 4♠ right away.
It only takes ♠Kxx ♥x ♦Axxxx, ♣AQxx and pard has better than that in shape or points.
More likely that my next bid is 4♠ but pard is invited to the party and I have to have support for something else for not blasting 4♠ right away.
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Posted 2012-March-09, 19:06
JLOGIC, on 2012-March-07, 02:23, said:
No, because 3C is not a jumpshift. ...
Thanks, sorry, I was conflating it with 1♠-(2♥)-3♣ (without NFB). Think it has to be 3♥ then as the hand is too good for 4♠, and only a 6-card suit (though a good one) with no guaranteed support. The continuation should be interesting...
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Posted 2012-March-14, 21:11
Sorry, forgot about this. I did bid 3♥. P bid 4♣. After a kc sequence where P denied ♣Q, we played 6♣. P held 9 65 AKJ43 AJ964 or close. The hand is very makeable. Ace and trump finesse in ♠, pitching a ♥. LHO ruffs 3d♠ low, but remaining ♣ are 2-2, making 6. Only P didn't play it that way and went down. He then argued that I should have bid 4♠ over his 3♣. Didn't think so then and still don't.
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Posted 2012-March-14, 22:24
bftboy, on 2012-March-14, 21:11, said:
Sorry, forgot about this. I did bid 3♥. P bid 4♣. After a kc sequence where P denied ♣Q, we played 6♣. P held 9 65 AKJ43 AJ964 or close. The hand is very makeable. Ace and trump finesse in ♠, pitching a ♥. LHO ruffs 3d♠ low, but remaining ♣ are 2-2, making 6. Only P didn't play it that way and went down. He then argued that I should have bid 4♠ over his 3♣. Didn't think so then and still don't.
Very common diversion when one doesn't make a good contract. I am not judgeing your partner's play...only the comment. You did fine.
It seems as if you had a clue from opener's failure to use "good/bad" that his hand was at least that good....causing you to launch for clubs.
Yes, 3S would be forcing. Not because 3C was G.F., but because the 3S bid must be forcing afterward. But you chose 3H, deserved a better result, and didn't deserve partner's analysis.
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Posted 2012-March-14, 22:31
3S would be forcing for me because with a weaker hand partner would bid 2NT good/bad. Not playing this, I will bid 3H.
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Posted 2012-March-15, 15:44
Not a fan of good/bad stuff.
Anyway, it looks like truly wtp 3♥ call.
Anyway, it looks like truly wtp 3♥ call.
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Posted 2012-March-15, 18:05
bluecalm, on 2012-March-15, 15:44, said:
Not a fan of good/bad stuff.
Clearly!
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Posted 2012-March-15, 19:56
Statto, on 2012-March-09, 19:06, said:
Thanks, sorry, I was conflating it with 1♠-(2♥)-3♣ (without NFB). should be interesting...
NFB doesn't apply at the 3-level anyway, does it?
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Posted 2012-March-15, 20:48
Vampyr, on 2012-March-15, 19:56, said:
NFB doesn't apply at the 3-level anyway, does it?
good question......one I think even those of us who play nfb forget...
at the very least you have a max nfb..
and will seldom have 4s. with alot of extras you can just x if afraid pard will pass.in any case as I said 3h now.
This is a g/b 2nt hand not a neg free bid auction.
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