What's South got (besides some nerve for pulling this crap...)?
Clubs or Not Clubs
#1
Posted 2012-March-01, 11:09
What's South got (besides some nerve for pulling this crap...)?
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other.” -- Hamman, re: Wolff
#2
Posted 2012-March-01, 11:45
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#3
Posted 2012-March-01, 12:01
I am of course joking, but I suppose I would bid as if it were Puppet Stayman at the actual table.
-P.J. Painter.
#4
Posted 2012-March-01, 12:14
My best guess: He's got regrets for bidding 1N with an xxxx club "stopper" & wants to know if you have it stopped.
#5
Posted 2012-March-01, 12:39
He isn't looking for a 3-5 Major fit, since opener doesn't have 5M. (Would have rebid 2M rather than 2N). If Advancer has diamond length he would have bid diamonds, now or earlier.
That brings us back to "some nerve for....". I guess accepting game, but hating his club stop is all that is left; but, what is partner supposed to do with that information?
Ah, wait a minute. I know the answer: advancer is having a brain-fart about 2NT being good/bad or Leben , and this thread will morph into a ruling question due the UI involving alerts.
#6
Posted 2012-March-01, 12:49
aguahombre, on 2012-March-01, 12:39, said:
Haha, I promise it's not that.
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other.” -- Hamman, re: Wolff
#7
Posted 2012-March-01, 13:25
Never tell the same lie twice. - Elim Garek on the real moral of "The boy who cried wolf"
#8
Posted 2012-March-01, 13:58
I sure have doubt here....doubt that my partner knows how to play bridge.
I'm passing and, if possible, heading for the bar. Maybe I'll find out later just what insanity was going through his brain
I understand, sort of, the possibility that he lacks a club stopper, but in that case just wtf does he think we're going to do about it? I mean, it's great if we have a stopper, but then why didn't we overcall 1N? Our raise suggests 15 or so hcp, so why no 1N?
And if I don't have a stopper, as suggested by my double, just where are we playing this hand? I know I'd rather play 2N than a 3-level 4-3 fit with the long trump tapped (and possibly overruffed) at trick 3.
Maybe he should have thought about this sequence before making the constructive 1N bid.
#9
Posted 2012-March-01, 14:10
aguahombre, on 2012-March-01, 12:39, said:
mikeh, on 2012-March-01, 13:58, said:
Does it scare you sometimes, when we think alike? For me it is reinforcing; but it must worry you
#10
Posted 2012-March-01, 15:36
You hold something like
Q10x / K9x / Q10xx / Jxx
and want to express your values to partner but think that a jump in diamonds sounds like 5.
1N sounded like a pretty good spot if partner passed, but 3N red doesn't sound so good unless partner has clubs. Heck, 2N doesn't sound great if partner can't help in clubs. So what could partner have? If partner has, say, a 4414 15-16 count (so a 'defective' major-suit oriented 1N overcall), X doesn't seem so crazy, and you probably want to play in 3N. If partner's broke in clubs, it's _definitely_ not clear that 3D won't play well, and it's possible that you can reverse dummy in 3M and come to 8 or 9, scoring as well as 2N.
This hand in particular may be a clear-cut pass over 2N, but you can see what the 3C-bidder might have been thinking with whatever he held.
On the other hand, it's not at all clear to me that 3C is not a suggestion to play, hence the post.
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other.” -- Hamman, re: Wolff
#11
Posted 2012-March-01, 16:13
That was in reply to Wyman's devil example.
#12
Posted 2012-March-01, 16:34
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other.” -- Hamman, re: Wolff
#13
Posted 2012-March-02, 00:27
George Carlin
#14
Posted 2012-March-02, 00:31
If it happened at the table I would not pass. Natural and NF just is not possible in my book.
#15
Posted 2012-March-02, 00:42
My wild guess would be weakish 6 clubs which didn't want to pass 1C but now when partner showd balanced hand it started to look better to play there. At the table I am almost surely not passing, too much chance partner is on different wavelength.
On different note:
1N - 2C
2D - 2N (invite)
3C/3D = ? :-)
Or:
1N - 2N (nat invite)
3C/3D = ?
#16
Posted 2012-March-02, 00:44
bluecalm, on 2012-March-02, 00:42, said:
My wild guess would be weakish 6 clubs which didn't want to pass 1C but now when partner showd balanced hand it started to look better to play there. At the table I am almost surely not passing, too much chance partner is on different wavelength.
On different note:
1N - 2C
2D - 2N (invite)
3C/3D = ? :-)
Or:
1N - 2N (nat invite)
3C/3D = ?
Both of those are to play imo with like a 6 card minor and 14 or w/e.
#17
Posted 2012-March-02, 01:50
This 3♣ is not to play.
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#18
Posted 2012-March-02, 02:42
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this is not fair.
If responder has KQx Qxx xx T98xxx or something like that he is not thrilled to pass 1C, because partner is quite likely to have strong hand with club shortness (and possible long suit on the side too) and playing in 1C is a disaster in such case.
Once partner bid 2N things change considerably though as now the worst thing which can happen is 4-4-4-1 in partner's hand, usually we flop 2+clubs though.
One other meaning which makes sense to me is a hand lacking club stopper with extras, something like: KQx KQx T9xx xxx maybe.
#19
Posted 2012-March-02, 02:51
It is a guess here and I would guess weak with long clubs.
Artificial meanings I've been thinking about:
-super max with 5 diamonds
-pick a major with 3316
No need to tell me that they are weird - I know! That's why I'm playing partner for long clubs.
George Carlin
#20
Posted 2012-March-02, 03:41