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#1 User is offline   xx1943 

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  Posted 2004-October-29, 12:20

Hi Billies,

this hand I played with a pickup-partner calling himself an expert and he misplayed the hand awfully.

I'm sure most of you will do better. :)
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Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     -     1    1
 Pass  2    4    4
 5    Pass  Pass  Dbl
 Pass  Pass  Pass  
CK C5 C7 H2
HA HQ H5 H8
HK S5 H6 HJ

How do you think your chances are now? What card do you play from your hand?

Look here how my partner went down:

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Posted 2004-October-29, 13:17

9 diamonds looks right to me, not 100% sure that is best play but that is my take on it
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Posted 2004-October-29, 15:17

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There is no unblocking issue playing it this way.
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Posted 2004-October-29, 15:23

Just I do not understand why not playing for spades ruff without drawing trumps.

1) we know LHO has the spade ace, so the K will not be scored via a finesse.

2) I could delay playing on sidesuits to try to engineer a throw in for S so he has to return spades or diamonds, but I do not have enough dummy entries to eliminate clubs, so that won't work

3) therefore, if I play a spade at trick 2, I'll be able to score 2 spades ruff, hope trumps break, and guess diamonds.

Anything wrong with this reasoning ?
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Posted 2004-October-29, 15:30

Chamaco, on Oct 29 2004, 04:23 PM, said:

3) therefore, if I play a spade at trick 2, I'll be able to score 2 spades ruff, hope trumps break, and guess diamonds.

You don't need any spade ruffs to make 11 tricks. What exactly are you guessing on the diamonds?
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Posted 2004-October-29, 16:56

xx1943, on Oct 29 2004, 08:20 PM, said:


Dealer: East
Vul: NS
Scoring: IMP
2
765
K87653
865
K94
AKT9432
Q94
 
 


West  North East  South

 -     -     1    1
 Pass  2    4    4
 5    Pass  Pass  Dbl
 Pass  Pass  Pass  
CK C5 C7 H2
HA HQ H5 H8
HK S5 H6 HJ

how do you come to the conclusion that south is *that* much stronger than north? we have 15 hcp between us, leaving 25... why should south have anything other than a normal overcall with nice spades? iow, why in the world can north not have the A and A (giving south the K,Q,J of clubs, for instance)?

i'm pretty sure i'd do this at the table
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Posted 2004-October-29, 18:18

luke warm, on Oct 29 2004, 05:56 PM, said:

i'm pretty sure i'd do this at the table
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Assuming they don't cover, tell me the advantage to playing it this way. What holding does this play work on, that wouldn't work using other methods?
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Posted 2004-October-29, 18:59

J,T with north, the one you pointed out
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Posted 2004-October-29, 19:41

luke warm, on Oct 29 2004, 07:59 PM, said:

J,T with north, the one you pointed out

You can play it that way too, if you prefer. Force through the queen, then play the nine to the king. Whichever way you prefer, there's no reason to kill your communications. Draw trump, then play the Q immediately. You can decide which way you want to play it later. In fact, you can play the Q, assuming it gets covered you can win any reurn, ruff a club, run down the hearts and see if you can get a count, and then finish up the diamonds.
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Posted 2004-October-29, 23:15

You have two options here, one play Q first, the other play 9 first,
9 first makes when diamonds are 2-2 or when south got A single.
Q first if no J/10 drops makes on 2-2, but the intresting case is when north drops the j or 10, the law of restricted choice says its twice as good to play north for this honor single and not J10, also J/10 single is twice more likely then A single, ,its very importent to notice that there is no block in the suit, since south is wining the diamond A, and cannot force us to use our last heart in dummy before we play the diamonds (if north would have won and switch to spade, we had to ruff in dummy and now diamonds are blocked).
Now time too add precentages, but i dont have them so ill try logic. 9 makes on 2-2 or A single in one hand.
Q makes on all 2-2 exept J10 on north, and it also makes on J or 10 signlton on north. if im correct the Q have better precentage.
I forgot to mention, playing small/9 wont win if south has J/10 singlton, you wont have enough entries to both finnese and take the long dimamond suit.
(if you had the entry then 9 was better then Q since it works on any siglton honor on south)
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Posted 2004-October-30, 00:22

Hi all

You must guess the diamonds rite, so there is no need to go after spade ruffs.

It is questionable if better lead q or 9. Probaly the Q, as Flame explained.

But my "EXPERT" partner led a low diamond to the K.


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     -     1    1
 Pass  2    4    4
 5    Pass  Pass  Dbl
 Pass  Pass  Pass  

CK C5 C7 H2
HA HQ H5 H8
HK S5 H6 HJ
D4 DJ DK DA
SJ S4 S7 S2
S6 S9 ST H7
D3 DT DQ D2
D9 C3 D5 C2



and down 1. :unsure:

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Posted 2004-November-08, 07:57

hi all - my solution


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Posted 2004-November-08, 11:48

xx1943, on Oct 29 2004, 02:20 PM, said:

Hi Billies,

this hand I played with a pickup-partner calling himself an expert and he misplayed the hand awfully.

I'm sure most of you will do better. :huh:
Advanced+ please answer with hidden text only: ;)




West North East South

 -     -     1    1
 Pass  2    4    4
 5    Pass  Pass  Dbl
 Pass  Pass  Pass  
CK C5 C7 H2
HA HQ H5 H8
HK S5 H6 HJ

How do you think your chances are now? What card do you play from your hand?

Look here how my partner went down:

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Here the hidden solution:
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Sincerly

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Scoring: IMP


Hi biiilies...

One thing to do is count your tricks. If diamonds are 2-2 now, they will be 2-2 later. The key is hearts. If they are 2-1, you have seven hearts, plus a diamond. Setting up diamonds can wait. If they are 3-0, you will lose a heart, a spade, and likely 2 diamonds anyway, unless teh diamond suit is 2-2.. and if diamonds are 2-2. if you play on trumps, you run the risk of losing 1H, 2S, and 1D (since you will play dummy out of trumps too early). IF you can ruff two spades, you will have 7H + 2S ruff, +1D, EVEN IF THEY MANAGE TO RUFF a diamond. Simly return a spade at trick two seems a reasonable way to get 10 tricks.

So the way Al's expert partner played it was wrong (blocking the diamond suit was silly, but then, so was the entire line). You and I can do better.

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Posted 2004-November-08, 14:43

Ben, the contract is 5x

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Posted 2004-November-08, 14:48

Gerardo, on Nov 8 2004, 04:43 PM, said:

Ben, the contract is 5x

Whoops..... get me a ladder so I get down off this silly horse.
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Posted 2004-November-09, 11:04

inquiry, on Nov 8 2004, 10:48 PM, said:

Gerardo, on Nov 8 2004, 04:43 PM, said:

Ben, the contract is 5x

Whoops..... get me a ladder so I get down off this silly horse.

Hi

but you are 100% rite, Ben.

You line ensures 11 tricks, if hearts are 2/1 and diamonds 2/2 or LHO has the single A.

7 + 2-ruffs + 2

and you make 9 tricks against a bad distribution in the reds
6+2(ruffs) + 1.


My suggested line Draw trumps and establish diamonds, needs the same breaks to win, but against bad breaks I'll make only 7 tricks.

6+1

Your line is correct (as ever :P ), Ben


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Posted 2004-November-11, 07:51

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Whoops..... get me a ladder so I get down off this silly horse.


Saddle burn sucks huh Ben...
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