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Who overvalued their hand? ATB
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Posted 2012-February-21, 15:00
Playing on BBO with a pickup partner, this hand occurred:
Assign the blame?
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Posted 2012-February-21, 15:09
Uh, 2H is from another planet, but I also don't really expect to beat this.
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Posted 2012-February-21, 15:24
North: 70% - for bidding on junk
South: 30% - for doubling on junk
South: 30% - for doubling on junk
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Posted 2012-February-21, 15:34
Agree with S2000.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-February-21, 16:27
I think East over-valued his trump quality. North was a bit aggressive for his 2♥ bid, but it depends on your style of advances--if it was a positive free bid, then I think he overbid a lot. The double was also a bit aggressive, but it depends on what 2♥ showed.
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Posted 2012-February-21, 16:53
It's not that South has junk or was overly aggressive. He has a very nice hand but it's an offensive hand; AK-7th of clubs, K-3rd in partner's 5+ card suit, a stiff in the opponent's suit. 2♥ was an overbid, double was a misbid.
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Posted 2012-February-21, 18:12
han, on 2012-February-21, 15:34, said:
Agree with S2000.
Agree with this and by regression with S2000. By the way, the 4S bid was also shall we say "optimistic"?
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Posted 2012-February-21, 19:31
the hog, on 2012-February-21, 18:12, said:
han, on 2012-February-21, 15:34, said:
Agree with S2000.
Agree with this and by regression with S2000.
Transitivity, perhaps?
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Posted 2012-February-22, 08:41
I was South. I had been planning to bid 4♥ after partner's 2♥ bid, but I didn't think I was good enough to try 5♥ over 4♠, so I doubled instead. I was expecting a much better hand from partner for his 2♥ bid.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 08:45
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Posted 2012-February-22, 09:01
Quartic, on 2012-February-22, 08:41, said:
I was South. I had been planning to bid 4♥ after partner's 2♥ bid, but I didn't think I was good enough to try 5♥ over 4♠, so I doubled instead. I was expecting a much better hand from partner for his 2♥ bid.
North could have had a much stronger hand and you could still have no chance as East-West have a double fit in diamonds and spades. South for doubling with a hand unsuitable for a penalty double.
Give East AKxxxxx x Ax xxxx
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Posted 2012-February-22, 09:03
cloa513, on 2012-February-22, 09:01, said:
North could have had a much stronger hand and you could still have no chance as East-West have a double fit in diamonds and spades. South for doubling with a hand unsuitable for a penalty double.
Give East AKxxxxx x Ax xxxx
Give East AKxxxxx x Ax xxxx
South's mistake was trusting partner to have his bid!!!!!
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Posted 2012-February-22, 10:22
I agree with those blaming North....that 2♥ bid was really bad.
However, S also dropped the ball, imo. He didn't listen to the auction.
His hand told him that at least one of the other 3 players was ovebidding significantly. That suggests shape is a factor...and he has an anti-defensive spade holding....it doesn't get much worse than Qx, since the other side is bidding to game without the Q, so have compensating values, such a a 7th spade. He has Kxx in hearts....and if his partner has stretched to bid, then he will often hold 6+ hearts, so the Kxx is not good defensively.
He has 7 clubs, and (again) if partner is stretching to bid it may be because he has a club fit, so the AK are not great defensively.
I'd rather bid 5♣ with the S hand than double. My hand, on the auction, is mostly offence, altho the Qx spades is simply a global negative. I am not saying I would bid 5♣: having seen the hand, it is tough to be objective....if I did make the call, dummy would be more than a little disappointing.
However, S also dropped the ball, imo. He didn't listen to the auction.
His hand told him that at least one of the other 3 players was ovebidding significantly. That suggests shape is a factor...and he has an anti-defensive spade holding....it doesn't get much worse than Qx, since the other side is bidding to game without the Q, so have compensating values, such a a 7th spade. He has Kxx in hearts....and if his partner has stretched to bid, then he will often hold 6+ hearts, so the Kxx is not good defensively.
He has 7 clubs, and (again) if partner is stretching to bid it may be because he has a club fit, so the AK are not great defensively.
I'd rather bid 5♣ with the S hand than double. My hand, on the auction, is mostly offence, altho the Qx spades is simply a global negative. I am not saying I would bid 5♣: having seen the hand, it is tough to be objective....if I did make the call, dummy would be more than a little disappointing.
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