[el mister]

Do we have a bid here over their 2♦. What about over 3?

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We actually have a spade game (pard has 7spds], which most people found one way or the other. Is it supine to pass here, should we be trying hard to make a bid?

[Simple acol played, no special agreements].

[frank0]

I think you're hand is good enough to bid 3♠ over 3♦

[RunemPard]

You must bid here with 7 pts...you already passed once, pass again your either missing a part score or game.

[Codo]

2 ♠ showed 6+ spades, so you have a sure fit and an easy 3 ♠ bid after 3 ♦.

[jillybean]

what would 1♠ (2♦) X show?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

If North has 7 spades, he should have bid 3S.

The first pass over 2D by South is ok, the 2nd pass not, if you have no idea, what to
bid, make a double, I guesss it can be argued, that this should be a pure penalty double,
but partner will remove the double, if he has a hand, you cant expect, a 7 carder is a good
indicator.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[wyman]

Pass over 2D, 3S over 3D

[el mister]

2♠ shows 5+ in acol. Does this change the recommendation to bid 3 at all? [I'm clear that I should have done something]

[ggwhiz]

el mister, on 2012-February-21, 09:10, said:

2♠ shows 5+ in acol. Does this change the recommendation to bid 3 at all? [I'm clear that I should have done something]

Your spade spots make it unlikely that your pard has only 5 spades at these colours for that 2♠ bid unless they are very good quality.

Throw in the ♥ Ace and most likely the ♣ Q as strong working cards and a 3♠ bid is not gauranteed to work but is extremely high percentage.

Another way to look at it is that if 3♠ is destined to fail they can hardly ever double and -100 beats -110. You may get to defend 4♦ instead of 3 as well. This all assumes that pards 2♠ bid is disciplined but that's the way to play it.

[P_Marlowe]

el mister, on 2012-February-21, 09:10, said:

2♠ shows 5+ in acol. Does this change the recommendation to bid 3 at all? [I'm clear that I should have done something]

The question is, which hands with a 5 card spade suit, would bid 2S?

If partner has a bal. 5332 hand with 3 diamonds and a weak NT strength,
he whould pass.
If partner has a bal. 5332 hand with 3 diamonds, 2 hears, strong NT strength,
I guess, he whould bid 2S.
If he has a 5431 shape, with diamond shortage,
he whould make a T/O.
If he has a 5431 shape, with 3 diamonds, weak NT strength,
he whould pass.
If he has a 5431 shape, with 3 diamonds, strong NT strength,
he whould bid 2S.

So if he has only 5 spades, he will have add. values.

But they will take the first 3 tricks in this case.

My main issue with 3S is, that 3S does not really show the
strength of my hand.
Maybe you should have bid 2S over 2D on the ground, that 1S
will be a 5 carder most of the time.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: As already stated, your p should have bid a 3rd time, holding
a 7 carder.

[S2000magic]

I'm with the pass-then-3♠ crowd; seems pretty clear-cut.

[S2000magic]

P_Marlowe, on 2012-February-21, 08:11, said:

If North has 7 spades, he should have bid 3S.

Irrespective of the rest of his hand?

I think that a minimum with 7 spades might legitimately bid only 2♠.

(But what do I know? On Sunday, partner and i got fixed by an opponent who opened 2♦ with ♦ A K x x x x x x; with ♦ Q J 10 x behind him (and lots of other stuff), we thought we'd massacre him, but he got out for down 1.)

[neilkaz]

I'd have bid 3♠ over 3♦ and it sounds like opener shouldn't have passed out 3♦ as well.

[nigel_k]

el mister, on 2012-February-21, 09:10, said:

2♠ shows 5+ in acol. Does this change the recommendation to bid 3 at all? [I'm clear that I should have done something]

In Acol you only rebid a five card suit if there is no choice. Here partner could either double for takeout or pass. So he ought to have six spades.

I think this hand is worth 3♠. I don't know if partner should necessarily bid 3♠ with a seven card suit, it depends on the exact hand. What we do know is that our hand is a lot more suitable for playing in spades than it could be.