[wank]

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3H was GF, could have been 5-4. 1NT was forcing semi-forcing.

any comment on this bidding at matchpoints? P criticised my choice. i'll leave you to guess for the time being which I was.

[the hog]

Prefer 2H if 3H is a GF. Who knows the value of the DK? Prefer 3S to 3NT by a long way.

[gszes]

wank, on 2012-February-18, 19:45, said:

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3H was GF, could have been 5-4. 1NT was forcing semi-forcing.

any comment on this bidding at matchpoints? P criticised my choice. i'll leave you to guess for the time being which I was.

the hand is pretty good but I have to admit I would
downgrade the hand enough to bid 2h vs 3h. If the
dia was stiff and the clubs Kx i would be much happier
with 3h

Given the conditions of contest I would bid 3n over 3h.

[S2000magic]

An almost identical hand came up in the Saturday afternoon game at the Charlotte Bridge Club today: North was 6-5-1-1, not 5-5-2-1. He preferred to 3♠, down 2.

With the hand shown, I'd have preferred to 3♠ as North.

[jillybean]

It appears that North wanted to play the hand, I have a lot of sympathy for him. 3♠ is clear

[frank0]

Wait, if 3♠=preference, what's your bid if you have 11HCP and 3♠(you make forcing 1N and want to jump 3♠ next round to invite, but now you have slam try hand)?

[MickyB]

I much prefer 2H to 3H and I prefer 3S to 3NT. You and your pard have no chance of winning events if you bid like this IMO.

[MrAce]

frank0, on 2012-February-18, 22:58, said:

Wait, if 3♠=preference, what's your bid if you have 11HCP and 3♠(you make forcing 1N and want to jump 3♠ next round to invite, but now you have slam try hand)?

Good question. This may look like an agreement thing but here is what i think . Most people with the fast arrival logic plays after ;

1♠-1NT
3♥...

3♠= i have a 3 card 10-11 raise
4♠= i was gonna bid 2♠ after 1 NT, i have a bad 2♠ raise.

Which sounds like a plan on the paper. However it is pretty bad imo. I am not even gonna get in the fast arrival criticism, but when opener makes jump shift, responder doesnt always have hands such as 3 card 10-11 fit or 3 card bad 2♠ raise. There other type of hands in between such as no real fir and not able to bid 3NT.

Most top players that i know play it this was;

3♠= preference or 3 card fit which wasnt good enough to make a 2♠ bid at the first place. Looking for right strain. He may not be able to bid 3NT for example.
4♠= This is the answer to your question, 10-11 3 card fit.
4 minor = Depends on agreement, my own invention is 4♣=♥ support, limit raise and ♠ honor or 5th trump, 4♦=♥ supp, lim raise, no ♠ honor or 5th ♥
4♥=♥ supp and weakest hand.

[S2000magic]

MrAce, on 2012-February-18, 23:45, said:

frank0, on 2012-February-18, 22:58, said:

Wait, if 3♠=preference, what's your bid if you have 11HCP and 3♠(you make forcing 1N and want to jump 3♠ next round to invite, but now you have slam try hand)?

Good question.
4♠= This is the answer to your question, 10-11 3 card fit.

My response, exactly. You beat me to it.

[MrAce]

wank, on 2012-February-18, 19:45, said:

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3H was GF, could have been 5-4. 1NT was forcing semi-forcing.

any comment on this bidding at matchpoints? P criticised my choice. i'll leave you to guess for the time being which I was.

I dont know which choice was yours but i would bid 1 NT and 3 NT with North hand as it was bid in the diagram. I have very strong spots in minor suits and all my hcps is in minors. I dont really see the advantage of playing 5-2 ♠ fit with my small doubleton support. If i am not bidding 3 nt with this i dunno what will i bid it with. Otoh i am not so sure about the 3♥ bid.

For example i would bid 3♠ with

Jx
xxx
AJTxx
xxx

[rogerclee]

North had a routine 3S bid, south had a routine 4H bid. Not sure which one was more obvious, they are both pretty clear to me. The idea of bidding only 2H with the south hand is also lolworthy to me.

[benlessard]

You have to bid 3S with north hand, partner is often going to be 6421/6412 for his 3H bid. 4S will just be better than 3Nt too often. This is by far the worse mistake.

Imo 2H/3H are both ok. I downgrade stiff king more than other players, but AKxxx,AKxxx is just wow.

1S-1nt-3H is just an awful sequence for natural bidding, I just hate it will all my gut when I get those and im playing standard.

[JLOGIC]

I wouldn't criticize this auction strongly but 3H and 3N are both certainly debatable. I think north should bid 3S but he does have both minors stopped and only 2 small spades. His holding is prime enough that I prefer 3S but it's certainly not the worst bid ever and I'm the biggest criticizer of non preferencing in JS auctions usually.

[JLOGIC]

rogerclee, on 2012-February-19, 02:41, said:

North had a routine 3S bid, south had a routine 4H bid. Not sure which one was more obvious, they are both pretty clear to me. The idea of bidding only 2H with the south hand is also lolworthy to me.

It seems somewhat inconsistent that south has a 4H bid if north has a 3S bid. I mean I guess north could be 1-3 but bidding 4H seems weird to me, north could also be 1-1 or a lot of shapes and south has a pretty good 3N dummy. Anyways, I guess the point is if you play natural having a way to differentiate between 5-5 and 5-4 is very important so you don't have to guess, be it an artificial 2C (gazilli), an artificial 2N, or an artificial 3C showing clubs, 4 hearts, or a spade 1 suiter (with 3H showing 5-5).

[aguahombre]

Whatever action caused us to miss a chance at a final contract of 2S would be the one I criticize. Perhaps Opener would bid 3H after a 2S preference (O.K.). But then, we would be in a final contract of 3S.

[dake50]

Partner says lots of shape.
But an A plus a K won't even prefer.
6S is a better shot than 3NT.
Contradict partner needs a sure thing.
This ain't.

[Poky]

When you have poor methods everything could go wrong in various ways.

Play 2♣ artificial and keep direct jumps to 3_new_suit as 5-5 invitational (some 15-17). Then North has an easy 3♠ bid.

Bidding 2♥ would have been crazy. South has a nut hand.

[wank]

i was south fwiw. p shared the opinion, expressed by some here, that I should only bid 2♥ at MPs.

i felt like jlogic says that with an A and a K north's hand was suitable for suit play despite the nice minor pips and that p should perforce bid 3♠.

[whereagles]

Everything seems normal to me. Pard is a results merchant.

The 3S bid shows a fit where I live (though I know it's normal for it to be just a preference the other side of the pond).

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

2H instead of 3H, planning to bid 3H over 2S from p.

With kind regards
Marlowe