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What's the meaning of X if 1S promise 5?

#1 User is offline   frank0 

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Posted 2012-February-15, 21:16

You play 2/1 or sayc,


Your agreement is partner's 1 shows 5(X shows 4), what do you think you're X mean?
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Posted 2012-February-15, 21:46

Personally, I still like to play support doubles here, big difference between a 5-3 fit and a 5-4.
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Posted 2012-February-16, 02:15

We play Double here as a strong hand without a clear direction , denying 3s.
Typically 2254, but some other shapes possible like 1354 , 2263 etc..
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Posted 2012-February-16, 08:01

In different partnerships I've played both of the above meanings. However (and I don't mean to distract from your question), I'd recommend changing the meaning 1 to showing at most 3 spades, competitive values, no heart stopper, and no clear direction in any auction starting:

1m-(1H)-??

This makes bidding hands like:

Axx, Txx, KQx, Jxxx

much easier. Otherwise you'd have to pass with the start 1-(1)-??.

The only change you have to make is for the auction

1m-(1H)-X to show either 4 or 5 spades, and then support doubles are clearly on.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 09:39

View PostBunnyGo, on 2012-February-16, 08:01, said:

In different partnerships I've played both of the above meanings. However (and I don't mean to distract from your question), I'd recommend changing the meaning 1 to showing at most 3 spades, competitive values, no heart stopper, and no clear direction in any auction starting:

1m-(1H)-??

This makes bidding hands like:

Axx, Txx, KQx, Jxxx

much easier. Otherwise you'd have to pass with the start 1-(1)-??.

The only change you have to make is for the auction

1m-(1H)-X to show either 4 or 5 spades, and then support doubles are clearly on.


Your recommendation works well when hands turn up which have values, fewer than 4 spades and unsuitable for a raise, but there are other hands where it works better to distinguish between exactly 4 spades & 5+ spades. For example, if the next hand jump raises in hearts, it can be very useful for Opener to know how many spades partner has.

I play both treatments, but I'm not sure which is better overall.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 09:41

We played X for T/O, we switched back to 1S showing 4+,
so it is now support, which is quite similar to T/O, not
the same, but quite similar.

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Posted 2012-February-18, 11:32

With two partners I play X as a doubleton honor in spades and a desire to compete if responder has promised 5.

In the past I used it to distinguish 3- and 4-card support. I have no strong feeling which is better.
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Posted 2012-February-18, 18:05

I like support still
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Posted 2012-February-18, 19:39

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I like support still


I like 16+ any hand without 4 spades, still... :)
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Posted 2012-February-19, 04:28

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Posted 2012-February-19, 04:36

I mean I am serious :) Support is terrible in standard.
First of all I need a bid with say: xx x AKxxx AJTxx and that bid should be 3C.
Good/bad 2NT could solve this problem but not really as 2N is also needed as natural.
So if I play support and I get dealt:
xx xx AKQxx AKxx or Ax x AKQxxx KJx or Ax AJx AQxx Kxx or x AQ AKJTxx Kxxx I guess i am just eating my cards if I play support double here at least with 3 of those hands (which ones depends if I employ good/bad 2NT)
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