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Posted 2012-February-12, 15:42
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Posted 2012-February-12, 15:49
South's bidding seems fine to me. Why didn't North open 2♠?
Anyway, 5♥-X seems like the par contract (single-dummy) so what's the problem?
Anyway, 5♥-X seems like the par contract (single-dummy) so what's the problem?
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Posted 2012-February-12, 15:49
What's the question? Why did North not open 2♠? Or does your title suggest that you think south should have bid 5♠ when it requires 2 finesses and 2-2 spades...
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Posted 2012-February-12, 17:40
Seems like a better auction to me. And I agree that 5♥X seems like the par contract, single dummy.
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Posted 2012-February-12, 18:35
Agreed with all the comments so far. North's spade intermediates seem fine for a 2♠ opener, and I don't like the low-percentage 5♠ call.
Is the question: what is South's 100% line for defeating the contract?
Is the question: what is South's 100% line for defeating the contract?
There is a big difference between a good decision and a good result. Let's keep our posts about good decisions rather than "gotcha" results!
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Posted 2012-February-12, 19:17
Nailed on 2♠ opener, I even prefer 1♠ to pass.
Shame you can't open (a natural) 1♣, as club lead and small diamond switch might net 800 which will render all talk of 5♠ moot.
Seriously though 5♥x is the only sensible place to be.
For 5♠ to make you need 2 of:
♣K onside.
♠2-2
♦ unable to be profitably led from either side (ie E has K, W has J) and you to read this correctly if a heart is led and a diamond returned, or a diamond lead to be missed by E at trick 1 when he doesn't have the K.
You are also straight off if spades are 4-0 even if everything else works.
Bizarrely you can make with the actual diamond layout with the K♣ wrong on a diamond lead, although you may need the x-ray goggles to be working well to do so. Fly the ace (observing the fall of the J), draw trumps and exit by running ♦8. Either a ruff and discard or club into the tenace disposes of one club loser and the 10♦ disposes of the other.
Shame you can't open (a natural) 1♣, as club lead and small diamond switch might net 800 which will render all talk of 5♠ moot.
Seriously though 5♥x is the only sensible place to be.
For 5♠ to make you need 2 of:
♣K onside.
♠2-2
♦ unable to be profitably led from either side (ie E has K, W has J) and you to read this correctly if a heart is led and a diamond returned, or a diamond lead to be missed by E at trick 1 when he doesn't have the K.
You are also straight off if spades are 4-0 even if everything else works.
Bizarrely you can make with the actual diamond layout with the K♣ wrong on a diamond lead, although you may need the x-ray goggles to be working well to do so. Fly the ace (observing the fall of the J), draw trumps and exit by running ♦8. Either a ruff and discard or club into the tenace disposes of one club loser and the 10♦ disposes of the other.
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Posted 2012-February-12, 20:01
Yeah if partner didn't open 2S and then bid 4S and double(!), I'm going to assume he forgot to bid orginally. I'm pretty sure it's impossible for S to make the right decisions on the actual auction as it goes down because there is no rational holding for partner's bidding.
So 100% blame to north for psyching pass?
So 100% blame to north for psyching pass?
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Posted 2012-February-12, 20:53
2S 4S sounds reasonable to me at this vulnerability. You would probably buy it with that. I would not futz around with a 2NT bid. Why did Nth not open 2S? Are you playing Acol two bids? As the bidding went, Sth's double is fine.
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Posted 2012-February-12, 21:15
I wasn't considering norths pass here, I thought South was in a forcing pass situation and could have bid 5♠/5♥. I see now its not a FP.
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Posted 2012-February-12, 21:29
4S is the only call over 2S. Rates to make a lot of the time and if it doesn't oppo might have 4H on, or phantom over 4S.
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Posted 2012-February-13, 11:03
Supposing North does pass, why not open 1C? It's not like you mind rebidding that suit.
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Posted 2012-February-13, 11:35
jillybean, on 2012-February-12, 21:15, said:
I wasn't considering norths pass here, I thought South was in a forcing pass situation and could have bid 5♠/5♥. I see now its not a FP.
Others may disagree, and I have to admit that North's bidding has me scratching my head, but given North's initial pass this is not a forcing pass situation.
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Posted 2012-February-13, 12:48
I'm not sure why N didn't open 2♠ as this suit seems good enough even at these colors and 2♠ is indeed preemptive and a ♠ lead is likely desired.
Anyhow... on the given auction, South has a very clear pass after 5♥. People bid 5 over 5 too often, IMHO, and here 5♠ isn't a fav.
This is not a FP situation to me, after N's initial pass and S's 3rd seat opening.
As for South, while this is a matter of style, I clearly prefer to open 1♣. I want a ♣ lead if the opps buy it, which isn't unlikely with PD passed and I don't mind rebidding this good a 5 card suit.
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Anyhow... on the given auction, South has a very clear pass after 5♥. People bid 5 over 5 too often, IMHO, and here 5♠ isn't a fav.
This is not a FP situation to me, after N's initial pass and S's 3rd seat opening.
As for South, while this is a matter of style, I clearly prefer to open 1♣. I want a ♣ lead if the opps buy it, which isn't unlikely with PD passed and I don't mind rebidding this good a 5 card suit.
.. neilkaz ..
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