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Lebensohl After double of weak 2

#1 User is offline   zasanya 

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Posted 2012-February-10, 11:33

I understand that after a double of weak 2 bid Lebensohl can be employed to distinguish between weak and strong bids by advancer.I request all to suggest continuations by advancer and doubler after the double .
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Posted 2012-February-10, 11:51

'Request' is a slightly odd word to use here. You are basically asking for a favour from us.

to make up for my grammar Nazism, I will try to describe as well as I can my favourite structure:

2-x-p-2NT=natural

2-x-p-2NT=lebensohl, then (p-3-p-):
3=weak hand with clubs
3=weak hand with diamonds
3=4 spades and a stop
3=4-5 spades, invitational
3NT=choice of games with 4 spades (I think! I read this on the forums at one point)

instead of 2NT:
2=weak
3=about 8-10 with clubs
3=about 8-10 with clubs
3=GF. two places to play or looking for a heart stop. or some other hand that I can't think of right now.
3=forcing with spades
3NT=to play, with a heart stop
4=forcing with clubs
4=forcing with clubs
4=non-forcing with spades

2-x-p-2N: just about the same as above. there is more of a need for the 2NT..3, 2NT..3NT, sequences because there's less space to bid hearts. 2-x-p-3 definitely does not promise four hearts, doubler should bid suits up the line or 3NT with a stop.

Doubler should decline to bid 3 if he has a long suit and extras, or cuebid if he has a very strong double (like 17+).
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Posted 2012-February-10, 12:04

Here's what I like to play:

(2)-X-(P)-...

2/2 - a non-invitational hand, natural
3 - 8-11ish, if I only have 8, I'll have a redeeming feature, like a decent 5 card suit
3 - game forcing, strain in question or some slam interest
3/3 - invitational, 5+ in the bid suit
3N - to play
4 - bid your better major


(continuation of previous auction)
2N-(P)-3-(P)-...

P - bad hand with clubs
3 - slam try, strain in question
3/3 - invitational (9-11 ish) with exactly 4 of the bid suit
3N - a 3N bid with extras, something that would have slam interest if you broke the lebensohl relay
4 - strong slam try in clubs
4 - slam try both majors
4/4 - mild slam try with single-suited major hand

You can probably extrapolate what I'd do with lebensohl over all other openings than 2 from this, it's all very similar.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 12:21

View Postgwnn, on 2012-February-10, 11:51, said:

'Request' is a slightly odd word to use here. You are basically asking for a favour from us.

That's what "request" means.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 13:23

To make up for my mistaken grammar nazism let me add that jdonn plays 2NT as always a weak hand and non-forcing (says nothing about stoppers). Sometimes doubler has a slightly offshape hand and 2NT is not a bad contract.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 16:13

After 2 dbl pass we play as follows:

2 weak
2NT lebensohl
3 minor natural, constructive, NF
3 game forcing, if only to game denies a heart stop and promises 4 spades but might have slam interest without 4 spades
3 invitational with 5 spades
3NT to play, not expecting partner to bid again without a slam try
4 minor natural and forcing
4 good 4 bid
4 to play no particular slam interest
4NT natural invitational
5m to play
5 2-suited spades + a minor slam force
5 random slam try (4 either weaker or stronger)
5NT pick a minor
6 non-hearts to play
6 undiscussed


After 2NT, doubler bids non-3C with extras; 3D is strong but NF; 3M is forcing. Advancer has to make his own arrangements if he didn't have a weak hand.
After 2NT-3C then
P/3 to play
3 game forcing, 4 spades & heart stop (usually just COG)
3 invitational with 4 spades
3NT to play, but suggests doubt (usually only one heart stop and a 5/6 card minor)
4/4 game forcing, 6 card suit + 4card spade suit
4 5 spades + 5 card minor
4 mild slam try
5 minor mild slam try (a bit obscure as you could have bid 4m forcing last round)

others undiscussed, sorry(!)
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