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#1 User is offline   benlessard 

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Posted 2012-February-09, 09:04



http://bridge.downag...bod=1HP1SP1NP2D

1H-1S
1NT-2D
2S-3Nt
4C-5NT
6C.

1S was a relay, 1nt showed clubs, 2D was GF relay, 2S showed 2524 11-14 or 18-21. 3Nt was to play.4C is showing 4 aces and 18-21.
At this point I can try to set up S or clubs as keycard but decided to bid 5Nt PAS, hoping to play 6C/6H/6S depending on the quality of JT that partner may have.
So my partner had to play 6C and got the T of S lead. How do you play it ? Your playing against very good opps. PS Do you agree with 3NT (other option is to make S as trumps and be forced to at least 4S) How would you play 6Nt ?
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Posted 2012-February-09, 10:21

I would start by calling the director and asking her/him to look for a missing card...
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Posted 2012-February-09, 15:05

I would play for the rounded suits to be no worse than 4-2. AK, low ruffing with the 8. if that loses to the J I would then win the return, ruff a heart, and re-enter hand as safely as possible to draw trumps. This line can also work in some cases where one of the rounded suits breaks 5-1.

Note that RHO may return a spade, so that if the 10 lead was a singleton we are lost. But such is life. I don't think we can cater to all possible 5-1 splits among our seven card suits.
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Posted 2012-February-09, 15:56

View PostHighLow21, on 2012-February-09, 15:05, said:

I would play for the rounded suits to be no worse than 4-2. AK, low ruffing with the 8. if that loses to the J I would then win the return, ruff a heart, and re-enter hand as safely as possible to draw trumps. This line can also work in some cases where one of the rounded suits breaks 5-1.

Note that RHO may return a spade, so that if the 10 lead was a singleton we are lost. But such is life. I don't think we can cater to all possible 5-1 splits among our seven card suits.

Even if 10 wasn't a singleton, you now have no entry to dummy to cash the third spade after drawing trumps. You will have to guess whether to take a diamond finesse, or to cash two trumps and then the third spade.

Also, suppose that the heart isn't overruffed but someone still has Q. What do we do now?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-February-09, 17:27

View Postgnasher, on 2012-February-09, 15:56, said:

Even if 10 wasn't a singleton, you now have no entry to dummy to cash the third spade after drawing trumps. You will have to guess whether to take a diamond finesse, or to cash two trumps and then the third spade.

Also, suppose that the heart isn't overruffed but someone still has Q. What do we do now?


Ummm... ask the audience? Phone a friend?

No if it's not overruffed then there are 3 winning possibilities:
(1) RHO had a doubleton heart and not the jack of clubs. (If he had it and didn't overruff he's playing a deep game and sees our entry problem.) Return to hand with a spade, ruff the last heart, draw trumps. For entry purposes, take the 2nd ruff with Q.
(2) LHO had a doubleton heart which is awesome. we can return to hand a ruff another heart.
(3) Hearts break 3-3 which is also awesome. Now all we need is 4-2 clubs wherever the jack is.

I didn't express this earlier, but to play along these lines it makes sense to win trick 1 in dummy, temporarily blocking the spades but helping with entries. It's actually a pretty important point though.

There's another line which makes a fair amount of sense, too. Play AKQ of spades to start, pitching a heart. If spades not 3-3 (probably LHO ruffing), play for the ruff to have come from the 4-club hand, so that J is now dropping. Win the return (a red suit exit by LHO helps us in that red suit), so assume a trump return. Now 3 rounds of trumps ending in dummy. (In some situations you will stop at 1 or 2 rounds of trumps and switch lines, establishing a major for discards or taking a red suit finesse.) This partial information should tell us the optimal way to finish off the hand.
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Posted 2012-February-09, 19:43


benlessard asks
"...So my partner had to play 6C and got the T of S lead. How do you play it ? Your playing against very good opps. ) ... How would you play 6Nt ?"

My guesses:
In 6, win the T lead with A and attempt tp cross to K (assuming LHO has two ). Then finesse Q.
If Q wins, then A, AK ruff, ruff,. If any of that fails, pause to regroup. But if all that works, then claim on a high cross-ruff.

In 6N, on T lead, start with A K and finesse J. If the finesse wins or are 3-3, then you have fair squeeze chances.

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Posted 2012-February-10, 03:58

View PostHighLow21, on 2012-February-09, 17:27, said:

Ummm... ask the audience? Phone a friend?

No if it's not overruffed then there are 3 winning possibilities:
(1) RHO had a doubleton heart and not the jack of clubs. (If he had it and didn't overruff he's playing a deep game and sees our entry problem.) Return to hand with a spade, ruff the last heart, draw trumps. For entry purposes, take the 2nd ruff with Q.
(2) LHO had a doubleton heart which is awesome. we can return to hand a ruff another heart.
(3) Hearts break 3-3 which is also awesome. Now all we need is 4-2 clubs wherever the jack is.

I didn't express this earlier, but to play along these lines it makes sense to win trick 1 in dummy, temporarily blocking the spades but helping with entries. It's actually a pretty important point though.

In all of these lines you have cut yourself off from dummy's spade winner.

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There's another line which makes a fair amount of sense, too. Play AKQ of spades to start, pitching a heart. If spades not 3-3 (probably LHO ruffing), play for the ruff to have come from the 4-club hand, so that J is now dropping. Win the return (a red suit exit by LHO helps us in that red suit), so assume a trump return. Now 3 rounds of trumps ending in dummy. (In some situations you will stop at 1 or 2 rounds of trumps and switch lines, establishing a major for discards or taking a red suit finesse.) This partial information should tell us the optimal way to finish off the hand.

By that stage you will, I think, need to find Q right, Q right, and hearts 3-3.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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