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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2012-February-03, 17:28


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Posted 2012-February-03, 18:48

3NT
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Posted 2012-February-04, 05:31

I guess it is at least Forum standard to bid 3 NT here and I guess that this is by far the best bid.
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Posted 2012-February-04, 08:33

Well, we didn't start 3N


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Posted 2012-February-04, 08:39

Hey there Kathryn

I really dislike X. You'll be dreadfully positioned after 4♥.

Assuming that you force me to double, I'll rebid 4♠
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Posted 2012-February-04, 10:41

View Postjillybean, on 2012-February-04, 08:33, said:

Well, we didn't start 3N



I think we are in slam territory.
Doesn't 4♣! say: " I have a max pass and both 4 card majors, pick 1 ? "

Not knowing what 4NT would be interpreted here as ... or 4-new suit ... or 5♣ ... or 5♠, I'll just blurt out:

6♠ ... needing as little as ♠ K-4th and ♥ A-4th and ♣ shortness.
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Posted 2012-February-04, 11:27



Here's the full hand. If south starts (edited) 3N then north has a chance to enter the auction.
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Posted 2012-February-04, 11:31

I had not have the chance. South could be MUCH weaker.
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Posted 2012-February-04, 11:42

Sorry, I meant if south starts 3N but it probably doesnt change the answer
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Posted 2012-February-05, 07:28

If this is board 1 then 3♣ was out of turn but it is too late to do anything about it now. Anyway, I would bid 5♠ in the hope that this will get partner to bid 6 with a club control. If he doesn't have one then it is likely they can take the ♣A and a ruff.
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Posted 2012-February-05, 08:13

I'd have bid 3NT, but probably taken it out with North (bid 4C and hope partner does something sensible - here 4S). Not sure how you get to slam now... perhaps North tries 5C and South might bid 6S based on his ♥Kx and the fact he has little wastage in ♣.

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Posted 2012-February-05, 10:52

View Postcampboy, on 2012-February-05, 07:28, said:

If this is board 1 then 3♣ was out of turn but it is too late to do anything about it now.

The hands are rotated, we were sitting E/W.
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Posted 2012-February-05, 11:26

3N

If you make me dbl, I'll bid 6S after 4C. I'm on borrowed time anyway.
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Posted 2012-February-05, 12:17

The choice was 3N, X, 4♠ but decided I was too strong for 3N. I was planning to bid 3N over a 3♥ response and didn't consider what I'd do if partner bid 4♥.
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Posted 2012-February-05, 13:00

View Postjillybean, on 2012-February-05, 12:17, said:

The choice was 3N, X, 4♠ but decided I was too strong for 3N. I was planning to bid 3N over a 3♥ response and didn't consider what I'd do if partner bid 4♥.


4S over 3C is not an option with this terrible suit. Double then spades is possible. Will likely be best if partner responds at the 3 level. 3N is probably favourite. With a void club partner has a routine removal imo. It will be hard to reach slam after 3N though. Partner might be able to make a slam try, its unclear to me whether that is %. Partner likely has wasted club values, and may not be hugely strong. Many would bid here with a balanced 17 count.
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Posted 2012-February-05, 19:57

View Postphil_20686, on 2012-February-05, 13:00, said:

4S over 3C is not an option with this terrible suit. Double then spades is possible. Will likely be best if partner responds at the 3 level. 3N is probably favourite. With a void club partner has a routine removal imo. It will be hard to reach slam after 3N though. Partner might be able to make a slam try, its unclear to me whether that is %. Partner likely has wasted club values, and may not be hugely strong. Many would bid here with a balanced 17 count.


I don't understand '4S over 3C is not an option' but 'double and then spades is possible' ? Wouldn't double then spades suggest a better hand, spade holding than a direct 4♠ bid? (I agree 4♠ is not an option I would choose with this suit)
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Posted 2012-February-05, 22:41

View Postjillybean, on 2012-February-05, 19:57, said:

I don't understand '4S over 3C is not an option' but 'double and then spades is possible' ? Wouldn't double then spades suggest a better hand, spade holding than a direct 4♠ bid? (I agree 4♠ is not an option I would choose with this suit)


No both shows good hand, direct 4♠ sets the trump suit, usually solid or semi solid while DBL and then bidding means he can play another suit too.


AKJT9xx
x
AQx
Kx is a 4♠ for me

AJxxxx
AK
AKxx
x

AQTxx
AK
AQxx
xx

AQxxx
AQx
AKxx
x are DBL hands for me.

Some people make simple overcall with some of those but i keep my overcalls maximum to 18 hcp, and if 18 it should not have prime cards imo.
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Posted 2012-February-06, 03:39

View Postjillybean, on 2012-February-05, 19:57, said:

I don't understand '4S over 3C is not an option' but 'double and then spades is possible' ? Wouldn't double then spades suggest a better hand, spade holding than a direct 4♠ bid? (I agree 4♠ is not an option I would choose with this suit)


This is how they thaught it in the last century. And I bet that most players still use it this way.
But "we" think that it is MUCH better to use X and a suit for a more flexible hand. It must be wrong to have 7 ways to show different spade one suiters but no convincing way to show a 5341 hand.
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