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How many spades ? 2 different auctions

#1 User is offline   MrAce 

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Posted 2012-January-31, 23:02

I appologize if you guys already went over this in past.

2--2
2-2

2=strong art
2= waiting (letme know if it makes difference when 2 is better than 2nd neg 2 if available)
2=nat 5+


How many does 2 show ? I mean i know it is 5+ but is there any situation where you want to bid with 4 or do u prefer it to be 4+ overall ?


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How many do you play this 4+ or 5+ ?
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Posted 2012-January-31, 23:06

it feels strange, but i think it should be 4+, otherwise responder would need to bid 2NT too often - there's still time to check back for a 53 or 62 fit
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Posted 2012-February-01, 00:49

For us, I don't know how many spades 2S would show, but it is not artificial. It won't have 2/3 top honors in a 5+suit, nor a 6+ suit with one top and a side prime. We would raise to 3S with 3 of them and let responder worry about how many she has and the hand strength.
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Posted 2012-February-01, 03:03

For us , 2-2-2-2 shows 5+, we bid 2NT with (balanced) hands with 4 s.

A 1 response to a 1-level overcall implies in our style 5+ cards , though we can occasionally bid it with good 4. (The likelyhood of this is about the same as overcalling on a 4 card suit).
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Posted 2012-February-01, 04:00

1. 4+
2. 4 +, usually 5+
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Posted 2012-February-01, 07:41

1. I pretty much always play Kokish so this hasn't come up in ages but I'd assume 5+

2. I treat it as 5+ but it is often bid with just 4, not with xxxx though. In auction 1C (1D) 1H (1S) I think it always shows 5, you have double for just 4.
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Posted 2012-February-01, 09:04

1. 4+
2a. (3rd hand passes): 4+ (but if playing Raptor or non-forcing advances then strictly 5+).
2b (3rd hand bids 1): 5+

For those promising 5+ in 2a, what would you bid with AKxx/Kx/xxx/AKxx after (1) - 1 - (P) - ? Or perhaps this means you are not playing UCBs. It seems alot easier to bid 1 followed by a diamond ask with this hand and for the immediate cue to show real support than any of the alternatives. In 2b we can double with this hand so promising a 5th spade is not a problem.
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Posted 2012-February-01, 09:29

1. If 2 is just a relay, 2NT is a negative, so 2 shows 4+. What else do you bid on AJxx xx QJx xxxx?
If 2 promises values, there's no need for 2NT to be artificial. Hence you can play 2 as 5+ and 2NT as balanced. It's better to invert these, of course.

2. Four, but you should prefer 1NT if that looks more descriptive. The overcaller should happily raise 1 to the two-level with three-card support.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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