[dboxley]

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your bid

[TWO4BRIDGE]

2H ....I think I'm a tad shy for a 3H SJS.

[nigel_k]

2♥.

Obviously hands can be constructed where partner will pass and game is cold, but across the entire range of hands that partner might hold I feel pretty confident that 2♥ will work out better than 3♥ on average.

Edited to correct obvious mistake.

This post has been edited by nigel_k: 2012-January-27, 17:06

[mgoetze]

3♥ in any bidding system I'd want to play.

[mike777]

2h

will rebid 3h over 2s.

[masse24]

2♥

"problem"?

[mgoetze]

masse24, on 2012-January-25, 18:40, said:

2♥

"problem"?

Maybe it's a riddle... try to figure out which bidding system the OP is playing so that this is a problem.

[gszes]

dboxley, on 2012-January-25, 17:59, said:

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your bid

2h at MP I have no strong disagreement with 3h
3h at IMPS

[Phil]

2♥. Sometimes I will survive the overbid of 3♥ and sometimes I won't.

If 3♥ isn't GF, or we play a Gazilli variant, hands like this are easier to manage.

[Onedown]

I like 2 1/2 ♥. At imps I think 2♥ is an underbid and 3♥ shaded but I would really hate to miss game if we have a fit and partner has an 8 count, with a 3 card fit and he passes 2♥. I think my 3♥bid shd imply a decent 5-5 and the 16 HCP I have.

[Onedown]

masse24, on 2012-January-25, 18:40, said:

2♥

"problem"?

Todd you are playing way too many MP games...

[benlessard]

2H, that why when partner raise to 3H its called a courtesy raise. Also if partner bid 2S ill make another move with 3H.

That one of the main idea of my system (Chapi) min or jumpshifts hands are open 1S since they will have no rebids problems and 2.5 hands are open a strong clubs so in the end we rarely need invites bids.

[kenrexford]

This is, IMO, one of the more difficult problems in bidding, and one of the least recognized as such. Obviously, if you just rebid 2♥ with this hand, Responder ends up with a lot of pressure on him, with the result being either missed games or playing 3♥ down one or two, sometimes even on a 4-3 "fit."

There are some solutions for this problem, however.

1. Some use a Power 2NT rebid. Hence, after a forcing 1NT, 2NT by Opener is simply GF and a relay (soft relay, meaning that Responder can break the relay to describe some hand types) to 3♣, after which Opener shows what he has. The Power 2NT allows a JS to show a "5-5-5" hand, meaning 5-5 shape with about five losers.

2. Some add in either Gazilli or a 2♣ as semi-artificial and semi-forcing (plus Bart).

3. Some also add in something like "Sparts 2♦." The "Sparts 2♦" that I know (there is another convention called this, but I know this one) is a 2♦ opening showing 5♠/4-5♥ and a minimum opening (10-12 or so), with 1♠-1NT-2♥ then showing sound values (if in conjunction with Power 2NT, probably 5-4 with about 14-16, 13's being upgraded or downgraded as appropriate). Sort of like Reverse Flannery, but more flexible, perhaps, and not pattern oriented as much as strength.

[mcphee]

2H is what you are worth. 3H is for players who think their partners are incapable of bidding their hands.

[kenrexford]

mcphee, on 2012-January-26, 05:32, said:

2H is what you are worth. 3H is for players who think their partners are incapable of bidding their hands.

This is not as easy as you suggest, IMO.

If partner has ♠Kx ♥Axx and whatever small cards you want in the minors, 4♥ has great play and may even make an overtrick.

Reduce your hand, however, to ♠Axxxx ♥KQJx ♦Qxx ♣x, and 2♥ might even be in jeopardy.

The point is that partner is not capable of bidding their hand, not because of a lack of skill but because of a lack of space and safety.

[gnasher]

With ♠Kx and ♥Axx, partner has a routine 2♠ bid. One of the reasons for giving false preference is to give us another go when we have a hand like this one.

The problem is when partner has a singleton spade. A hand like x Axxx xxxx Qxxx will produce ten tricks easily, but he'll pass 2♥ with that.

If we're lucky enough not to be playing 2/1, a partial solution to this problem is to use 2NT as a real heart raise and 3♥ as a courtesy raise.

[Fluffy]

I only need ♥Axx ♠xx across for a shot at game, what are you guys doing with 2♥?

For me it is even bete since 3♥ shows 5-5

[mgoetze]

kenrexford, on 2012-January-26, 05:23, said:

This is, IMO, one of the more difficult problems in bidding, and one of the least recognized as such.

This seems to be me to be a very North American point of view.

[P_Marlowe]

2H.

You dont have the values, to force to game.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[MrAce]

2♥ for me.

My reasons are;

1- We want to bid 3♥ because we have 5-5 but 3♥ will not show 5-5, it will show 5-4 gf hand regardless of what pd has. Its not like by bidding 3♥ we are gonna find our best game even if there is one.

2-1 NT response neither promised nor implied a balanced hand, he may have a long minor suit, or both of them.

2♥ bid can occasionally may miss a borderline game, as Andy suggested but i think this sort of hands are being over concerned. Think about this way, not only pd may have total misfit but also if we are going to lower the bar of jumpshifts to this (without gazilli or etc ) then this will also cause problems in the hands where we have real jump shift hands with same shape, because as far as i see the names who cheer for the 3♥, also stated that they hate to open 2♣ with 2 suiters in other topics.