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Stick your neck out? Would you make a lead-directing double here?
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Posted 2012-January-25, 14:37
A hand from the German Open Trials last weekend:
Which action do you take?
Which action do you take?
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Posted 2012-January-25, 16:08
No. Wayyy too much downside with an 18-19 on my left.
I might be tempted at MPs, where the upside is a good board, and the downside is a zero.
I might be tempted at MPs, where the upside is a good board, and the downside is a zero.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 16:18
To me it's normal to pass at imps and to double at matchpoints.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 16:22
I would certainly double at any form of scoring.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 17:22
mgoetze, on 2012-January-25, 14:37, said:
A hand from the German Open Trials last weekend:
Which action do you take?
Which action do you take?
If the opps are not playing multi (ie weak 2 dia and 2h is unlimited
and forcing) I would x with this garbage only if I was interested in
getting rid of my current partner or trying to gain special favor from
one of my very attractive opponents (it wont work trust me).
If the opps are playing multi you are playing with fire. There is no
reason rho wont send an xx back at you and the number you are looking
at is staggering. Even if opps dont play 2h x or xx is this really a
lead director????? The only thing you might be accomplishing is convincing
p to lead a heart toward your entryless garbage vs making a killing
lead elsewhere.
Someday (never with the same partner) your lead directing
x will be understood by p as lead directing vs takeout and only a
heart lead will win the day. Its a game of % after all and 9 years and
a cornucopia of new partners later you will have your desired reward.
This post brought out my dark side and brings the total number of posts
I would vote down so far to ONE.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 18:02
This is a clear pass. A double deserves a xx making with an overtrick.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 18:11
gszes, on 2012-January-25, 17:22, said:
If the opps are not playing multi
I was not asking about random other auctions, but about this very specific one.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 19:38
I'd personally pass but i am not in the group who thinks "OMG how can someone dbl with this"
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Posted 2012-January-25, 19:55
mgoetze, on 2012-January-25, 18:11, said:
I was not asking about random other auctions, but about this very specific one.
read your post again and let me know how I was supposed to know this
was a multi auction:))) I could find no clues so I tried to cover all
the obvious bases
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Posted 2012-January-25, 20:11
gszes, on 2012-January-25, 19:55, said:
read your post again and let me know how I was supposed to know this
was a multi auction:)))
was a multi auction:)))
It's not, it's a Mexican 2♦ auction. Click on the alerts.
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Posted 2012-January-25, 21:57
gszes, on 2012-January-25, 17:22, said:
If the opps are not playing multi (ie weak 2 dia and 2h is unlimited
and forcing) I would x with this garbage only if I was interested in
getting rid of my current partner or trying to gain special favor from
one of my very attractive opponents (it wont work trust me).
If the opps are playing multi you are playing with fire. There is no
reason rho wont send an xx back at you and the number you are looking
at is staggering. Even if opps dont play 2h x or xx is this really a
lead director????? The only thing you might be accomplishing is convincing
p to lead a heart toward your entryless garbage vs making a killing
lead elsewhere.
Someday (never with the same partner) your lead directing
x will be understood by p as lead directing vs takeout and only a
heart lead will win the day. Its a game of % after all and 9 years and
a cornucopia of new partners later you will have your desired reward.
This post brought out my dark side and brings the total number of posts
I would vote down so far to ONE.
and forcing) I would x with this garbage only if I was interested in
getting rid of my current partner or trying to gain special favor from
one of my very attractive opponents (it wont work trust me).
If the opps are playing multi you are playing with fire. There is no
reason rho wont send an xx back at you and the number you are looking
at is staggering. Even if opps dont play 2h x or xx is this really a
lead director????? The only thing you might be accomplishing is convincing
p to lead a heart toward your entryless garbage vs making a killing
lead elsewhere.
Someday (never with the same partner) your lead directing
x will be understood by p as lead directing vs takeout and only a
heart lead will win the day. Its a game of % after all and 9 years and
a cornucopia of new partners later you will have your desired reward.
This post brought out my dark side and brings the total number of posts
I would vote down so far to ONE.
I have questioned many posts here but this one ranks highest on simply "WHY"? So you are afraid with this pile of garbage partner will not find a heart lead to defeat what? The real post should read "how stupid are you"?
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Posted 2012-January-25, 22:31
I think X at MP or against weak opps is clear cut. Against strong opps I would pass (hopefully in tempo)
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Posted 2012-January-26, 02:04
Chickens, all of you. May your partners make bad leads for the rest of your days.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 02:11
han, on 2012-January-26, 02:04, said:
Chickens, all of you. May your partners make bad leads for the rest of your days.
Well for me the x does not just show cards in that but, but also a willingness to compete. Do you want to compete with that hand? However, even if it showed cards in the suit I would not double.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 02:18
So we should have a good heart suit and a hand that wants to compete, yet somehow we didn't open the bidding last round? That doesn't seem practical to me.
Of course I don't know their system, but it seems likely that LHO can't have 5 hearts and RHO can't have 4 hearts, so I'm not too worried about them playing 2HXX.
Of course I don't know their system, but it seems likely that LHO can't have 5 hearts and RHO can't have 4 hearts, so I'm not too worried about them playing 2HXX.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 04:25
I must admit I missed the original pass, however I would still pass, but why can't the 2D bidder have 5H? If 2D = 18-19 balanced, surely he could be 2533 or similar. I must admit I would still xx even with AJT9 and outside tops.
This reminds me of a relay auction partner and I got into some years ago. LHO doubled a 3C relay with a similar holding. Partner xx to show step 2. I held AJTxx in the suit and passed, making 5.
This reminds me of a relay auction partner and I got into some years ago. LHO doubled a 3C relay with a similar holding. Partner xx to show step 2. I held AJTxx in the suit and passed, making 5.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 08:24
For this particular pair, 2♦ can't have a 5-card major, should have mentioned that perhaps, sorry.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 09:23
When I play this 2D opening I don't have a 5-card major.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 09:46
If X crosses my mind as an option - sure.
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Posted 2012-January-26, 10:20
Part two of the poll is: how many of you suspected this was a TD case? 
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