[sasioc]

Not certain about low pips so just put the smallest ones in

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Playing teams

Spoiler:

If you bid 4C, this will go p p x. What do you do?

[aguahombre]

All I could use was "other"..being one of those folks who believe 3NT would adequately show the minors here. I don't think it is an underbid opposite the expected 6-1-3-3 18ish across the table.

"one of those folks" refers to people who are willing to give up the unlikely natural 3NT meaning.

Oops, I misclicked that pass

[whereagles]

Pard seems to have a balanced 16-17 or so. I think a pass can be good here.

[sasioc]

aguahombre - I agree that 3NT for the minors makes a lot of sense and apologise for forgetting to include it. It was not considered at the table because it was not clear to the person who held the hand that p would take it as the minors without discussion.

[the_dude]

I love my hand .. game will probably be a good shot if partner has a 4 card minor - if he is 6133 then maybe not so much. Still 4NT for me. Agree with the earlier poster that 3NT should be takeout but that is pessimistic imo. You could be way, way worse.

whereagles, on 2012-January-24, 12:46, said:

Pard seems to have a balanced 16-17 or so. I think a pass can be good here.

I can't imagine my partner is balanced - at least in our style. Balanced hands not strong enough to start with X are defending 3H.

[S2000magic]

I chose 4NT for minors, but I'd rather have 3NT for minors available.

Partner's 5=2=3=3 or 5=1=4=3 or 5=1=3=4 or, possibly, 6=1=3=3 (though he might have bid 3♠ with a 6-bagger, instead of doubling); I love this hand.

[Fluffy]

opponents bidding smells like partner is 5233, we are missing 8 keycards, that's too much for game, I'd bid 4♦, if I bid 4♣ I correct to 4♦

[Codo]

I am not sure if I would like to have 3 NT at these colours for the minors. I would like to bid 3 NT with say J, AJT, Txxx,JT9xx

[gszes]

IMO the x is an attempt to successfully
compete against 3h. There are a lot of hands
p may have for a 1s overcall followed by x
and we have to trust p uses good judgement.

In any case there is still a big difference
btn us having a hand like void x xxxxxx xxxxxx
where I would love to bid 4n pick a minor
and our hand which has some defensive potential
in case the opps compete further. With this hand
I would bid 4h pick a minor.

I disagree with the opinion that 3n is pick a minor
what would i do with say

x QJx xxx KQxxxx? 3n is the only bid that comes even
close to getting us to what might be only makeable
game and we have to give up game to cater to
hands that might be say x xxx xxxxx xxxx? not a good
trade off by any means.

[Onedown]

sasioc, on 2012-January-24, 10:48, said:

Not certain about low pips so just put the smallest ones in

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Playing teams

Spoiler:

If you bid 4C, this will go p p x. What do you do?

4NT is the most obvious as there is no mistaking what it is...I did pass 3♥ so I certainly didn't have a responsive X if we are playing them thru 3S or higher and 3NT could be misconstrued and a cue of 4H is saying what? Better than a 3 or 4♠bid?; if so you would have spoken already. It could show 2-3-4-4 but 4NT leaves nothing to think about.

[aguahombre]

4NT leaves nothing to think about except that we are too high.

[benlessard]

Partner can have a 5233 with 17-18 pts and nothing wasted in H. But he can also be 5143 with a wider range he should have chubby minors (def tricks) rather than QJ of spades since im going to pass frequently here. I think 4Nt is obvious at teams and I expect to have a chance to make it.

AKxxx
xx
KQJ
A9x -- the 9 make game very good Edited (not that good because they are going to make me ruff in H))

I dont see partner doubling with much less than this.

3nt for the minors is a joke. Note that its a 3rd seat opening (can be 4 carder ?) and west might not wanted to bid 4H with 5 of them.

[FrancesHinden]

I would bid 4NT.
My partner held the hand at the table and passed the double.

[Fluffy]

FrancesHinden, on 2012-January-27, 15:14, said:

I would bid 4NT.
My partner held the hand at the table and passed the double.

And who was right?

[FrancesHinden]

Fluffy, on 2012-January-28, 01:47, said:

And who was right?

As a general rule I think it is good forum etiquette not to reveal the full hand on a thread someone else has started. (When I've done so, it's been after offline conversation with the poster.)

[bluecalm]

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How has our hand become better in a way that our partner wouldn't already be aware of when he decided not to bid 4♥

It would nice to have a chance to play 4S to 6spades in partner's hand and 5m with 5-4 fit.
I am not sure if it's possible to achieve what about 4H ?

[Fluffy]

FrancesHinden, on 2012-January-28, 05:58, said:

As a general rule I think it is good forum etiquette not to reveal the full hand on a thread someone else has started. (When I've done so, it's been after offline conversation with the poster.)

Ok, then you can create a new thread with the problem and give the solution

Or I can bribe sarah on facebook with some recipes, that should work.

[sasioc]

Partner held

AKxxx
x
AQxx
Axx

Diamonds are 2-2 with the king onside and clubs are 4-1 with KQxx offside.

[dake50]

I'm hard pressed to visualize a try for penalties
that won't be a success, even maybe a 500+ bonanza.

[FrancesHinden]

dake50, on 2012-January-28, 10:28, said:

I'm hard pressed to visualize a try for penalties
that won't be a success, even maybe a 500+ bonanza.

Yup, if you pass that's +500. 3 imps out, against 620 from the other table.