[Fluffy]

if you play druri how do you play 2NT response to 1M by a passed hand?

what would you assume with a pickup partner?

[wank]

i would assume it meant a balanced 11 or bad 12 (or opposite someone old and clueless, any kind of 12)

as i'm prone to opening crap 3rd in, i play 2♦ to show this hand type though lest opener gets hung. 2nt is spare then so i play i as a fit jump in a minor and 1M-3m as a natural invite

[gwnn]

unbalanced good 4-card raise.

[kenrexford]

Both minors.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

One player I know ( a national champion ) plays the following structure:

-- 2C and 2D are Drury ( 3 and 4 card limit raises ).

-- 3C and 3D are fit-showing-jumps for partners major.

-- 2NT is 9-11 points with one of the minors with at least a good 6 card suit as you must be prepared to play opposite a singleton; pard bids 3c ( over the 2NT) for pass or correct to 3D.

......( With a poor suit, bid a semiforcing NT ) .

[aguahombre]

We use 2NT as Ken does: minors. Specifically in the weaker response range, because our 2/1 is still forcing for one round and we can bid the minors out with ten-ish.

We don't need 2NT for a max balanced pass, because 1NT for us is still forcing.

[Phil]

I think minors is standard but I usually play that it shows 8-10 with clubs. Seems to have a higher frequency.

[jallerton]

Fluffy, on 2012-January-26, 04:10, said:

if you play druri how do you play 2NT response to 1M by a passed hand?

what would you assume with a pickup partner?

I prefer to play 2NT as an unspecified mini-splinter. Partner can bid 3♣ to ask if he wants to know which shortage.

With a 'pickup' partner I wouldn't assume any particular meaning. I would make a guess based on the rest of our basic system/agreements.

[phil_20686]

Fluffy, on 2012-January-26, 04:10, said:

if you play druri how do you play 2NT response to 1M by a passed hand?

what would you assume with a pickup partner?

SHould be an extremal hand.

e.g. P P 1S P 2N

should show something like Axxx x AQxxx xxx. I.e., you would have a game bid opposite a first or second opener.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

phil_20686, on 2012-January-27, 07:36, said:

SHould be an extremal hand.

e.g. P P 1S P 2N

should show something like Axxx x AQxxx xxx. I.e., you would have a game bid opposite a first or second opener.

The OP said they play Drury, so the hand you show would be shown by 2C! ( or better yet 2D! if you play 2-way ).

Or better yet 3♦! as a fit-showing-jump !

[whereagles]

Fluffy, on 2012-January-26, 04:10, said:

1. if you play druri how do you play 2NT response to 1M by a passed hand?

2. what would you assume with a pickup partner?

1. In a standard J2NT context, I guess this would show like 10-11 hcp and 4 card support. Usual follow-ups, but 3M = the end.

2. Anyone's guess LOL.

[aguahombre]

Interesting..J2N by a passed hand mentioned in the same sentence containing the word, "standard".

[phil_20686]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-January-27, 17:03, said:

The OP said they play Drury, so the hand you show would be shown by 2C! ( or better yet 2D! if you play 2-way ).

Or better yet 3♦! as a fit-showing-jump !

IMO this hand is too good for drury. Drury should be an 8-11 3 card raise if you play it the standard way. Distributional hands with side suit shortage and 4 trumps and a side suit is much too strong. If partner signs off you have to raise anyway to 3 spades, as even a sub minimal hand will make game.

Axxx
x
AQxxx
xxx

KQxxx
xxx
Kxx
xx

and game is a claimer. Bidding 2N + continuations lets you get these hands right. Bidding drury is just a recipe for for giving partner a problem. How will you bid this hand if opener rebids 2S? bid your diamonds? If you use the three level for splinters you can use them. If you use fit jumps they work too (though are worse imo).

The other reason for dividing the extremal hands off the top is that sometimes partner has a decision after drury, and any hesitation here can get you into trouble as many will argue that drury fully described your hand and therefore you cannot bid again over the sign off.

[whereagles]

aguahombre, on 2012-January-28, 09:25, said:

Interesting..J2N by a passed hand mentioned in the same sentence containing the word, "standard".

Life is full of surprises.

[FrancesHinden]

Playing with a pickup partner I would go with my general rule of 'in the absence of any other agreement, bids are natural if they possibly could be' and assume it was natural.
However, if had agreed to play, say, 1M-2NT as a 4-card limit raise I would probably assume this still applied by a passed hand.

[FrancesHinden]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-January-26, 05:41, said:

One player I know ( a national champion ) plays the following structure:

-- 2C and 2D are Drury ( 3 and 4 card limit raises ).

-- 3C and 3D are fit-showing-jumps for partners major.

-- 2NT is 9-11 points with one of the minors with at least a good 6 card suit as you must be prepared to play opposite a singleton; pard bids 3c ( over the 2NT) for pass or correct to 3D.

......( With a poor suit, bid a semiforcing NT ) .

With 11 points and a good 6-card suit most people would have opened the bidding by now.