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Your lead please
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Posted 2012-January-21, 05:19
Expert level, no agreements about such doubles.
If I have made this specific agreement, then I will keep the agreement.
A partner can convince me to play nearly anything, but if partner breaks agreements, then you will fairly fast reach the point, that I wont be interested in playing any longer. Stick to your agreements.
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A partner can convince me to play nearly anything, but if partner breaks agreements, then you will fairly fast reach the point, that I wont be interested in playing any longer. Stick to your agreements.
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Posted 2012-January-22, 11:04
skaftij, on 2012-January-21, 05:19, said:
Expert level, no agreements about such doubles.
The logic says: dont lead spade.Hearts could dissappear on clubs or vice versa. snorris
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Posted 2012-January-22, 15:56
snorris, on 2012-January-22, 11:04, said:
The logic says: dont lead spade.Hearts could dissappear on clubs or vice versa. snorris
North is marked with some length in spades. Possibly, he might have made a preference to 4♥ with a doubleton honour. He will have a singleton heart more often than a singleton club, making a lead-directing double of clubs more likely to establish a trick.. On the other hand, South could have proposed 4♥ with a fair six-card suit. His failure to do so is an argument in favour of a ♥ lead.
Is this reasoning too speculative, something you invent when you hold East' hand?
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If I have made this specific agreement, then I will keep the agreement.
A partner can convince me to play nearly anything, but if partner breaks agreements, then you will fairly fast reach the point, that I wont be interested in playing any longer. Stick to your agreements.
Marlowe (Uwe Gebhardt)
A partner can convince me to play nearly anything, but if partner breaks agreements, then you will fairly fast reach the point, that I wont be interested in playing any longer. Stick to your agreements.
Marlowe (Uwe Gebhardt)
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Posted 2012-January-22, 16:55
I think dbl means "don't lead a spade". I'd try a heart. Maybe pard has AQ over dummy's KJ?
Having seen pard's hand, I find dbl as reckless as his overcall LOL.
Having seen pard's hand, I find dbl as reckless as his overcall LOL.
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Posted 2012-January-22, 23:33
It is % 100 ♥ lead for me. Not that i believe pd ruffs it but he might have a hand like
QJxxxxx
AQ
x
xxx
and decided that we dont stand much of a chance on ♠ lead and took a risk. Whether i agree with his decision or not is an other story but i made lightner doubles (asking dummy's first suit) so many times that was not believed by partners and they all were down on the lead i want but pd didnt lead.
My last bad experience was when i was playing with Jeff Goldsmith, he didnt lead dummy's suit and they made it. He explained me why he didnt lead and he has all the reasons not to lead it, i would probably not lead too if i were him. In my own experiences over analysing pd's DBL costs more than anything else. I lead it when i am asked to lead a suit.
QJxxxxx
AQ
x
xxx
and decided that we dont stand much of a chance on ♠ lead and took a risk. Whether i agree with his decision or not is an other story but i made lightner doubles (asking dummy's first suit) so many times that was not believed by partners and they all were down on the lead i want but pd didnt lead.
My last bad experience was when i was playing with Jeff Goldsmith, he didnt lead dummy's suit and they made it. He explained me why he didnt lead and he has all the reasons not to lead it, i would probably not lead too if i were him. In my own experiences over analysing pd's DBL costs more than anything else. I lead it when i am asked to lead a suit.
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Posted 2012-January-22, 23:39
i dont understand dbl calling for a heart lead. Where are partner's heart tricks going? To me this is an clear club lead ask, and looking at the 4 hands partner is either an idiot or a genius or both. 100% club lead.
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Posted 2012-January-23, 00:04
rduran1216, on 2012-January-22, 23:39, said:
i dont understand dbl calling for a heart lead. Where are partner's heart tricks going? To me this is an clear club lead ask, and looking at the 4 hands partner is either an idiot or a genius or both. 100% club lead.
skaftij, on 2012-January-22, 15:56, said:
Is this reasoning too speculative, something you invent when you hold East' hand?
Imho, yes.
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Posted 2012-January-23, 00:44
the problem with that hand is that partner has no way to know that both hearts are cashing. I think in this auction holding even AQ tight it'd be sketchy because there's nothing stopping dummy from being 0634. I mean its clear the 3S bidder is on some fun narcotics, but it has to be a club in this auction, doubling for a heart when declarer IMO likely has a stiff is not reasonable.
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Posted 2012-January-23, 01:01
rduran1216, on 2012-January-23, 00:44, said:
the problem with that hand is that partner has no way to know that both hearts are cashing. I think in this auction holding even AQ tight it'd be sketchy because there's nothing stopping dummy from being 0634. I mean its clear the 3S bidder is on some fun narcotics, but it has to be a club in this auction, doubling for a heart when declarer IMO likely has a stiff is not reasonable.
Pd doesnt know if he is cashing 2 ♥ tricks or not, he knows leading ♠ will be bad (assume he doesnt have ♠Q either) And if u read my previous post i said "whether we agree with his decision or not is another story..."
The hand diagram that i gave, is much more realistic than the original deal and auction to me, at least for my level of bridge, whatever level that might be.
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Posted 2012-January-23, 01:29
Partner's double is from hunger given the actual hand. It says I can score an extra defensive trick if you lead the right suit - NOT A SPADE. So, it must be a red suit. A heart doesn't look right to me. I have three small, and the auction gave them every chance to find a 5-3 heart fit, but it wasn't there, or so it seems. By process of elimination it has to be a club looking for the ruff.
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