[kgr]

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You showed 12-14 en singleton S.
Partner shows D-control and denies C-control.
what do you bid?
=> Should South show C-control or minimum hand? (If you don't consider this hand minimum then make it worse with a C-control)

[Free]

Partner knows what I have in terms of strength and shape, and guess what, we even have a 6th ♥ we didn't promise. Partner is clearly looking for a ♣ control which I have. If I bid 4♥ that will be the end, so I'll just blacky...

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Partner made a Ctrl Cue knowing you were minimum ( 12-14 ) and also was not discouraged by you shortness in ♠ .
Instead of cueing 5C, I might as well go 4S! ( kickback-RKC for ♥ ... since 4NT! would be Voidwood, excluding ♠-Ace ).

[mike777]

I dont see how south can sign off given pard is unlimited and has made a slam try, looking for a club control and we have it and an extra h.

[kgr]

kgr, on 2012-January-20, 14:13, said:

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You showed 12-14 en singleton S.
Partner shows D-control and denies C-control.
what do you bid?
=> Should South show C-control or minimum hand? (If you don't consider this hand minimum then make it worse with a C-control)

To clarify my question I changed the hand:
Do you still show the C-control?
(Note: 3NT showed a singleton, void impossible)

[gnasher]

kgr, on 2012-January-20, 15:54, said:

To clarify my question I changed the hand:
Do you still show the C-control?

No, definitely not. When you decide to go past game in this sort of auction, you should be saying "We're strong enough for slam as long as we've go the controls". Your first hand had a sixth heart, which is probably worth a whole trick, and it had ♣A. That makes it much better than your second example.

[whereagles]

This is a super-maxi for the bidding. Just use RKCB and follow up with some sort of grand slam try if all keys are there.

[Free]

kgr, on 2012-January-20, 15:54, said:

To clarify my question I changed the hand:
Do you still show the C-control?
(Note: 3NT showed a singleton, void impossible)

If you think this hand is worth 12+HCP, then yeah, you open and partner is still looking for a ♣ control... If you open this kind of crap all the time you should make sure your partner knows you can have such poor hand.

[Onedown]

kgr, on 2012-January-20, 14:13, said:

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You showed 12-14 en singleton S.
Partner shows D-control and denies C-control.
what do you bid?
=> Should South show C-control or minimum hand? (If you don't consider this hand minimum then make it worse with a C-control)

Someone asked a question and parted with "with this crap". I have to agree this is SO BORDERLINE for a 1♥ opener in 1st seat. I could play a good game of lowball poker with all my 8 low cards from a 5 down, but no one has mentioned the 2♥ opener and the only reason to consider this if you play OGUST and weak 2 range is 6-11..does this hand qualify?...absolutely. The HCP 11 count is semi-soft, do I love my Q32 of ♦'s or my A32 of ♣'s?..NOT
If the opponents cooperate and pass 2♥ and after the forcing 2NT your p hears 3♥, good suit good hand, then p has a MUCH better idea of where to take this hand....

I am sure I am going to here from all the nay sayers that swear this is a 1♥ opener.

[gszes]

first hand is quite good (heart Q is probably useless) but still
6th heart and club A more than enough to bid 5c. This should show your
first round control whcih might be hugely important if p wants to
search for 7. your 12 14 is already such a narrow range i would not
be overly concerned about showing mini maxi within that small frame
of reference:)

second hand is indeed minimum yet slam might still be in reach
just bid 5h shich should let p know you are dead minimum and have
second round control of clubs and let them decide:)))