[rduran1216]

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Your call? If your first call is 1 diamond, please answer the follow up

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Now what?


No xyz, 1H could be bid with a 2434 hand. 1S here tends to show spades, with 2S being an artificial GF

[hrothgar]

I'd bid 2NT over 1♣

If I was forced to start with 1♦, I need to know whether the 1♥ rebid promises an unbalanced hand

[mike777]

xyz is quite popular here as is walsh(5c and 4h) so if permitted I plan to bid 2c which forces 2d then 3c invite.

If I am not playing any of that I will start with 1nt over 1c.

[gnasher]

(1) 1♦

(2) If 1♥ promised an unbalanced hand, 3♣
Otherwise, if 1♠ is non-game-forcing FSF, 1♠
Otherwise, I'm not playing.

[FrancesHinden]

You don't tell us what system we are playing, so I can't give a definite answer.
Does 1H promise 5 clubs? Or does it promise either 4414 or 5 clubs? What would 2S mean by me over 1H (I used to play 2S as showing invitational values and 3 clubs)?

Assuming partner showed an unbalanced hand and hence 5 clubs, 3C looks normal.
I've never played a style where partner could be, say, 3=4=3=3 and I've no idea how to bid if we do.

[Fluffy]

The problem is to guess the system, lets see:
I obviously bid 2♣ over 1♥, if partner bids 2♦ then he will play 2 way checkback so 3♣ then, if he passes then that´s fine as well.

[rduran1216]

FrancesHinden, on 2012-January-13, 15:35, said:

You don't tell us what system we are playing, so I can't give a definite answer.
Does 1H promise 5 clubs? Or does it promise either 4414 or 5 clubs? What would 2S mean by me over 1H (I used to play 2S as showing invitational values and 3 clubs)?

Assuming partner showed an unbalanced hand and hence 5 clubs, 3C looks normal.
I've never played a style where partner could be, say, 3=4=3=3 and I've no idea how to bid if we do.

edited for clarity, pick up partnership with no real detailed agreements.

[Fluffy]

I´m a bit curious to the reasons that made you post in this forum, but just a bit.

[JLOGIC]

1D then 2C

[FrancesHinden]

rduran1216, on 2012-January-13, 15:27, said:

Now what?


No xyz, 1H could be bid with a 2434 hand. 1S here tends to show spades, with 2S being an artificial GF

If I'm playing Walsh, doesn't 2H show this hand now? (As I said I've never played a style where 1H could be 2434 so I don't really know what to do)

[whereagles]

1D, then 4th suit (i.e. 1S).

[phil_20686]

EDIT: This is obviously meant to be after 1c-1d-1h:

i normally play 1N= 8-11 in this sequence.

If weaker you always have a suitable hand for pass or 2c.

[aguahombre]

gnasher, on 2012-January-13, 15:35, said:

(1) 1♦

(2) If 1♥ promised an unbalanced hand, 3♣
Otherwise, if 1♠ is non-game-forcing FSF, 1♠
Otherwise, I'm not playing.

FrancesHinden, on 2012-January-13, 15:35, said:

Assuming partner showed an unbalanced hand and hence 5 clubs, 3C looks normal.
I've never played a style where partner could be, say, 3=4=3=3 and I've no idea how to bid if we do.

This combination reflects my opinion.

Re: Frances' question about the 2H raise in Walsh ---could be, but our agreement for 2H is different. We have reworked many Walsh/Hardy agreements to fit our mold, and it becomes a bit of a blur how much is true Walsh or Hardy. Of course, they did the same from edition to edition.

[gszes]

I would always start with 1d.

since 1s "tends" to show spades that means future
bidding has to take into consideration we might
not have spades---fine with me

1s.

w/o this agreement in spades I prefer to downplay this
hand a bit (especially at MP) and I would now bid
(though I wish I didnt have to)
2h <if p cannot now bid 2n or 3n NT is unlikely to be the right spot>
(unless I knew for sure the 1h bid showed an
unbalanced hand) in which case I like my hand more
and would bid 3c.

In all cases if we are to arrive in game I want p to declare
if possible.


I do not like 2n over 1c for the following reasons

1. opps will have at least 7 if not 8/9 spades and with
no stopper we are probably wrong siding nt.

2. Taking 1 into consideration the 2n bid makes it
difficult for p to show a weaker but distributional hand
when we are anything but sure nt is right.

3. opposite a vast majority of balanced 14 counts 3n
is going to be difficult to make p will need at least
3 dia or long clubs to give us a chance and bidding
1d gives us the best chance to find this stuff out.