[Antrax]

♠987xx
♥x
♦x
♣KQJTxx

None vul, matchpoints. RHO deals and opens 1♦. When I passed (do you?), it proceeded (1♦)-p-(1♥)-p, 2♦ to me. How do you bid this?

[MrAce]

Antrax, on 2012-January-04, 00:53, said:

♠987xx
♥x
♦x
♣KQJTxx

None vul, matchpoints. RHO deals and opens 1♦. When I passed (do you?), it proceeded (1♦)-p-(1♥)-p, 2♦ to me. How do you bid this?

Dont hate, everyone else in the event will face this too since opening bid and response seems extremely standart.

I'd bid 2♥ now.

[Yu18772]

Antrax, on 2012-January-04, 00:53, said:

♠987xx
♥x
♦x
♣KQJTxx

None vul, matchpoints. RHO deals and opens 1♦. When I passed (do you?), it proceeded (1♦)-p-(1♥)-p, 2♦ to me. How do you bid this?

Pls pls pls dont hate 6:5s! they are fun.......playing mandane fits with 27 points is not something to write about.

Anyway, on a more serious note - to pass or bid a 6-5 bad suit hand very much depends on your agreed style with partner. Mine is that 6-5s are an excellent reason to bid NV, and with all the drawbacks of this hand I bid 2♦ (♠+♣-gestem for me) first round to get it off the chest, also because I am afraid that the next time the auction gets to me it will be even harder to get in, and 6-5 with spades in MP is not something to be ashamed of.
With the auction as is I am with MrAce - 2♥ is a good choice

[gwnn]

3 or 4♣ seem OK the first round. Now that opps have opened and we have 6 points, we're likely outgunned so missing spades is not such a big issue. Making life tough for opponents is always fun though.

Another idea is to bid 3♣ now and bid spades later up to 4♠, I'm not sure about that one. I don't want to leave my KQJT9x unmentioned though, not even for one round.

[the hog]

I certainly would not pass; nor would I bid a 2 suited bid with such a disparity in the 2 suits, though some might. The question is, would I be happy if partner gives preference to S with xx xx or similar? I would overcall 1S. If partner can raise we are happy, are we not? Overcalling some number of Clubs and burying the spades is VERY poor in my opinion. I might do this with Hearts, but certainly not holding the boss suit.

[Antrax]

I'm guessing 2♥ would be some kind of two-suited takeout? What would X be here?
the hog, do you plan to declare no matter what? I worried if I overcall in spades partner will lead them if we end up defending.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

depending on the Michaels version you happen to agree on, you either have a 2D bid or not.
If 2D showes spades+? I would make the bid, if it showed the majors, you have to pass.
I prefer to play spades+?, but in my regular partnership I play majors.

If 2D comes back I would make a T/O, that showes the black suits, it does not show 65, but
you show the colors, and the X makes sure that they play at least on the 3 level.

I prefer X instead of 2H, since X are clearly the other two suits. If 2H is also two suited,
than 2H is more shapely than X.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Yu18772]

Antrax, on 2012-January-04, 03:01, said:

I'm guessing 2♥ would be some kind of two-suited takeout? What would X be here?
the hog, do you plan to declare no matter what? I worried if I overcall in spades partner will lead them if we end up defending.

2♥ and X are like sandwich 1NT and X in similar auctions :
P-1♣-P-1♠
X/1NT
Typically X shows more strength and less distribution, while the suit/1NT bid shows more distribution (really 5-5 minimum) but may be very weak, and totally doesnt like the prospect of defense.

I would be worried to overcall ♠ for the same reasons, however if you play that 2♦ is majors, then you have no choice with this hand, unless you are really willing to burry 5 card ♠ in MP competition for a partscore....

[the hog]

Antrax, on 2012-January-04, 03:01, said:

I'm guessing 2♥ would be some kind of two-suited takeout? What would X be here?
the hog, do you plan to declare no matter what? I worried if I overcall in spades partner will lead them if we end up defending.

And why is that necessarily a problem and why will it necessarily happen? It appears your glass is half empty rather than half full.

[Antrax]

Yes, I'm not very good with balancing the various considerations. That's why I ask questions, really, to try and improve at it by reading answers from players better than myself.
In this case, partner leading a spade is good if he leads top of sequence or something of the sort. But in this case, he will lead a spade anyway. So, it seems if my overcall will influence his decision, it must be in the wrong direction. No?

2♦ is indeed majors for us, and 2NT would've been ♥+♣. Interestingly, if I had an appropriate two-suited call, I would have made it without a second thought -- but now I see that's not necessarily the bid to use even if you have it.

[Zelandakh]

I would start with a 3♣ overcall and compete with spades when it came back to me. This approach may not be optimal against better players but is (imho) much more effective than the alternatives against B/Is.

[Phil]

Might have bid 3♣ the last round. Now, I have the ideal opportunity to get my black suits in with 2♥ so why wouldn't I take advantage of that?

I don't like the idea of 3♣ now if I wasn't willing to bid it last round.

[Antrax]

Thanks all. Frankly, the 2♥ bid hadn't occurred to me but in retrospect it makes a lot of sense. I'll discuss it with partner. At the table the auction continued:
(1♦)-p-(1♥)-p
(2♦)-X-(3♥)-3♠
4♥

What do you bid now?

[mike777]

Antrax, on 2012-January-04, 00:53, said:

♠987xx
♥x
♦x
♣KQJTxx

None vul, matchpoints. RHO deals and opens 1♦. When I passed (do you?), it proceeded (1♦)-p-(1♥)-p, 2♦ to me. How do you bid this?

I will try pass at this point.

[the hog]

mike777, on 2012-January-04, 09:52, said:

I will try pass at this point.

And forever after.

[rogerclee]

Antrax, on 2012-January-04, 09:44, said:

Thanks all. Frankly, the 2♥ bid hadn't occurred to me but in retrospect it makes a lot of sense. I'll discuss it with partner. At the table the auction continued:
(1♦)-p-(1♥)-p
(2♦)-X-(3♥)-3♠
4♥

What do you bid now?

4S is automatic to me, not sure if the two above posters realize that you doubled 2D, typically showing something like a takeout double of hearts.

edit: oh I see now mike777 was talking about the original post

[cherdano]

mike777, on 2012-January-04, 09:52, said:

I will try pass at this point.

We doubled trying to find a fit. Why give up now, after we have found a 9- or 10-card fit?

[mike777]

cherdano, on 2012-January-04, 19:36, said:

We doubled trying to find a fit. Why give up now, after we have found a 9- or 10-card fit?

? dont understand this, I passed per my post, I did not double.


agree 4s is automatic with wild shape over 4h if I had doubled.

[Antrax]

Cool. We made 4♠ doubled when the opponents failed to realize the five level should belong to them