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On bridgewinners site there was an article by Kit Woolsey which proposed an idea that t/o dbl after their 2-level overcall must show exactly doubleton in their suit http://www.bridgewin...iding-promotion
Similar idea I found in Phillip Martin's article - here
I consider playing this gadget, but both articles doesn't answer all the questions, so I want to ask the people who actually play this.
The idea behind this IMHO is good - when you do have the doubleton in their suit. The problem is what to do when you have a single ?
For example, what am I supposed to do with Kxxx x Qxxx KQxx after partner's 12-14 1nt and 2h from RHO? I used to dbl with this, but now I can't...
How do you solve this?
Also, it seems scary to me to dbl with doubleton when I open 1nt (12-14) and my partner passes. How can I avoid being doubled on 3rd level on 4-3 fit, when partner has a yarboro in such situation?
Thanks!
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Posted 2012-January-03, 15:16
After partner opens 1NT and the next hand overcalls naturally at the 2-level, the idea is that double is take-out and shows (usually) a doubleton in their suit. You might double with 3 cards as well on some hands, but partner assumes a doubleton. The reason for this is that you expect partner to pass the double for penalties with many 4-card holdings, so you only double with a singleton if you are very defensive and happy for partner to pass and defend an 8-card fit.
If you have a singleton and game forcing values, you cue bid (or transfer-to-cue if playing rubensohl) which shows a 3-suiter with 0 or 1 of their suit.
If you have competing values and a singleton you either double-and-hope, bid a 5-card suit, or pass.
If you have a singleton and game forcing values, you cue bid (or transfer-to-cue if playing rubensohl) which shows a 3-suiter with 0 or 1 of their suit.
If you have competing values and a singleton you either double-and-hope, bid a 5-card suit, or pass.
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Posted 2012-January-04, 07:15
That raises further questions Frances! For example, if 1NT - (2D) - 3C now shows 0-1 in diamonds how do you bid holding 4=4=3=2 with ♦xxx and game-going values? You have given up the Stayman sequence after all. It seems you would need to double on this hand now. How about (4-2)=3=4? or any 4441 with 4 diamonds - surely too risky to pass with game values and you want to be able to offer a choice between 3NT and 4M. Would you recommend this method over Rubensohl overall?
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Posted 2012-January-04, 09:00
Frances,
The main advantage of this method, as described in the articles I mentioned and as I understand it, is that it makes things easier for the partner. He is able to make an intelligent decision about his subsequent actions based on Low of Total Tricks. If he has 4 of their suit, he will leave the double. If he has 3 or 2 - he'll know they have an 8-card fit and he will try to find ours.
But if the double can be made sometimes with 3 cards and sometimes with the singleton (and hope), partner cannot rely on this and the whole idea is lost. Actually I can see very little difference, if any, between your version and "normal" takeout double as we play it now.
Am I missing anything?
Kit Woolsey proposes that the condition for such double are that we both made some bid and then they overcalled - something like 1♠ - (p) - 1n - (2♥) - ? or 1♥ - (p) - 2♥ - (2♠) - ?
These situations are probably easier to handle than the overcalls after 1nt opening, since if you have single in their suit, you also have 4-card side suit or 6 cards in your first suit - so you can find a bid to make.
The situation after 1nt opening, especially when it's weak (as I play it) is more complicated.
I mean, for example, auction like
What to do? Pass and find partner with 10-11 HCP and KQ98 in ♥? Or double (as Phillip Martin suggests in his article) and find us in 3♦ on 4-3 fit for -800?
The main advantage of this method, as described in the articles I mentioned and as I understand it, is that it makes things easier for the partner. He is able to make an intelligent decision about his subsequent actions based on Low of Total Tricks. If he has 4 of their suit, he will leave the double. If he has 3 or 2 - he'll know they have an 8-card fit and he will try to find ours.
But if the double can be made sometimes with 3 cards and sometimes with the singleton (and hope), partner cannot rely on this and the whole idea is lost. Actually I can see very little difference, if any, between your version and "normal" takeout double as we play it now.
Am I missing anything?
Kit Woolsey proposes that the condition for such double are that we both made some bid and then they overcalled - something like 1♠ - (p) - 1n - (2♥) - ? or 1♥ - (p) - 2♥ - (2♠) - ?
These situations are probably easier to handle than the overcalls after 1nt opening, since if you have single in their suit, you also have 4-card side suit or 6 cards in your first suit - so you can find a bid to make.
The situation after 1nt opening, especially when it's weak (as I play it) is more complicated.
I mean, for example, auction like
What to do? Pass and find partner with 10-11 HCP and KQ98 in ♥? Or double (as Phillip Martin suggests in his article) and find us in 3♦ on 4-3 fit for -800?
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