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1m-(1S)-2H-(2S)-X Best use of X here?

#1 User is offline   bd71 

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Posted 2011-December-15, 21:39

New-ish partner and I had this start to the auction the other day, and debated possible uses:

1. Extension of support X to show 3 vs. 4+ support?

2. Modified extension of support X to show 2 (with honor) vs. 3+ support?

3. Something else?

Suggestions and advice welcome...including pointers to the past threads I'm sure must exist on this.
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Posted 2011-December-15, 21:57

View Postbd71, on 2011-December-15, 21:39, said:

New-ish partner and I had this start to the auction the other day, and debated possible uses:

1. Extension of support X to show 3 vs. 4+ support?

2. Modified extension of support X to show 2 (with honor) vs. 3+ support?

3. Something else?

Suggestions and advice welcome...including pointers to the past threads I'm sure must exist on this.


Takeout. Will frequently have Hx in partner's suit.
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Posted 2011-December-15, 22:25

Missed the opening 1m bid.. disregard.

Not fond of "takeout" definition, when there is only one suit left. Perhaps it could be used in conjunction with Good/bad, to be prepared for futher competition in spades by the opps. I.E., 2NT for a merely competitive single suiter in diamonds, and double for a diamond/club two-suiter.

That would free up 3D and 3C for stronger opening bids. Hands with heart support can raise hearts, and hands with no direction at all don't have to bid at all.

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2011-December-15, 22:46

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Posted 2011-December-15, 23:35

Door #2 was the choice of my regular partner in Alaska and me. We used support-ish doubles quite extensively to show Hx opposite a 5+ suit, both in auctions like this one and as advancer. That said, I have yet to run across anybody else playing it that way. I am excited to see it even mentioned here.
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Posted 2011-December-16, 00:09

#1 doesn't make any sense. Partner shows 5+, why would we show support without raising?

#2 is reasonable, although you can also raise with 3 card support

#3 I'd use it as takeout, which basically means at least 2 places to play. In many cases you'll have Hx in support, but you can also have a minimum hand with 5-5m for example.
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Posted 2011-December-16, 02:42

Generally after the opponents have bid and raised and we have only had one bid then takeout is a useful agreement.

As a matter of theory our bidding space is valuable it makes sense to use the cheapest (positive) call in a flexible way.

On this auction we have a number of objectives:

1. We might want to compete - 3m and 3 (over 1) to show a hand with some extra distribution are needed.

2. We might want to explore for no trumps (or an alternative fit)

3. We may have a hand with extra strength but that does not want to go past 3NT whilst still allowing partner to show some extra distribution
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Posted 2011-December-16, 08:26

I've asked a few people this question, and the most common answer has been "takeout, almost always Hx or xxx in hearts." My most recent long-term partners, with whom I was playing roughly the same system, said

"penalty -- opener can raise with heart support or bid 3C/D" with the caveat "IMH(AI)O -- (always incorrect)" and

"implies but doesn't guarantee 3 hearts. i know some ppl do play this as supp, some play it as Hx, and I play 1m (1h) 1s (2x) x as supp, makes some sense to me here too, but no firm agreement. "

[Heh, good to know we're all on the same page! I'd have been in the "takeout" camp, likely 2254 fwiw.]

Personally, I've always been in the "why do we need a supp X with a 5-3 fit?" camp, but distinguishing can probably aid in making the impending 4- or 5-level decisions, so I can see the value.
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Posted 2011-December-16, 12:49

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Posted 2011-December-17, 15:02

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#3 I'd use it as takeout, which basically means at least 2 places to play. In many cases you'll have Hx in support, but you can also have a minimum hand with 5-5m for example.


Minimum and with 5-5 you would open 1, and bid 3 here?
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Posted 2011-December-18, 09:03

View Postbd71, on 2011-December-15, 21:39, said:

New-ish partner and I had this start to the auction the other day, and debated possible uses:

1. Extension of support X to show 3 vs. 4+ support?

2. Modified extension of support X to show 2 (with honor) vs. 3+ support?

3. Something else?

Suggestions and advice welcome...including pointers to the past threads I'm sure must exist on this.





At least, tell us what you agreed with partner: system ?...





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