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simple question cue or nat?
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Posted 2011-December-09, 04:31
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Posted 2011-December-09, 06:16
What is your system ? ( What is 2C ? )
I assume it is strong, artificial.
Then Responder's Pass! = not a bust ( RDBL = bust )
So, 3C = natural, 5+ cards, but no 2 of 3 top honors ( otherwise would have bid 3C over the X ).
I assume it is strong, artificial.
Then Responder's Pass! = not a bust ( RDBL = bust )
So, 3C = natural, 5+ cards, but no 2 of 3 top honors ( otherwise would have bid 3C over the X ).
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Posted 2011-December-09, 06:43
You seem to assume that the double shows clubs, but it might not. In any case, there's no need to have a cue-bid available at this point in the auction - you can just bid naturally.
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Posted 2011-December-09, 09:53
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Posted 2011-December-09, 19:19
natural for me (pass over the dbl limited responder to ~8 HCP at most)
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Posted 2011-December-09, 20:54
Yu18772, on 2011-December-09, 19:19, said:
natural for me (pass over the dbl limited responder to ~8 HCP at most)
pass by the responder limited her to 40 minus whatever the 2C bidder held (but at least enough for game). 3C is a club suit; Lord knows what the original double of 2C showed, but we don't seem to care yet.
we will have our auction, and inquire if curious.
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Posted 2011-December-09, 22:24
Natural and game forcing. Redouble might have been fun.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 10:16
I would have said natural, but if partner has clubs why didn't he redouble? That makes me think it's a cue.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 10:24
FrancesHinden, on 2011-December-19, 10:16, said:
I would have said natural, but if partner has clubs why didn't he redouble? That makes me think it's a cue.
Isn't redouble a conventional second negative? It is for us. Pass showed at least a little something ---enough for game opposite a 2C opening. The 3C bid, now will not be quite the same as a 3C immediate response, but it still seems natural.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 10:40
Seems to me there are at least 3 uses for this 3♣ call, assuming the double showed clubs and the pass showed values:
1. cuebid in support of hearts. Sets trump early, and allows for maximal slam exploration
2. natural, tho very hard indeed to think of a hand on which we want to suggest clubs as trump, given how unlikely it is that doubler would/could psyche clubs
3. an unbiddable hand...no long suit, no fit and no club stop: say Jxxx x KQxx xxxx.
I doubt that partner would ever take it as (3) without discussion.
I like the meta-rule that, in an undiscussed auction, if a bid can be natural, it is natural.
So I take it as natural, but it would be my third choice if I ever discussed the sequence with partner. My choices would be 'unbiddable' as first, cue as second and natural as third.
I would raise with hearts, and bid notrump with clubs and throw up with the unbiddable hand, absent agreements.
1. cuebid in support of hearts. Sets trump early, and allows for maximal slam exploration
2. natural, tho very hard indeed to think of a hand on which we want to suggest clubs as trump, given how unlikely it is that doubler would/could psyche clubs
3. an unbiddable hand...no long suit, no fit and no club stop: say Jxxx x KQxx xxxx.
I doubt that partner would ever take it as (3) without discussion.
I like the meta-rule that, in an undiscussed auction, if a bid can be natural, it is natural.
So I take it as natural, but it would be my third choice if I ever discussed the sequence with partner. My choices would be 'unbiddable' as first, cue as second and natural as third.
I would raise with hearts, and bid notrump with clubs and throw up with the unbiddable hand, absent agreements.
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Posted 2011-December-21, 07:47
If you are playing some special agreement where partner couldn't redouble naturally, then I agree 3C must be natural.
I've never heard of playing redouble as a second negative, although clearly from this forum it's popular in some parts of the world.
Mikeh may think it's unlikely that they would psyche a club suit here, but LHO might have thought he was playing double as conventional.
I've never heard of playing redouble as a second negative, although clearly from this forum it's popular in some parts of the world.
Mikeh may think it's unlikely that they would psyche a club suit here, but LHO might have thought he was playing double as conventional.
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