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#1 User is offline   S2000magic 

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Posted 2011-December-06, 07:09

Both sides are vulnerable and LHO opens:

(1) - 1 - (1) - ?

What would you bid with:

Q 10
4 3 2
K 8 7 6 3
A K 10

(Assume whatever methods you want, but please delineate your assumptions. Thanks!)
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Posted 2011-December-06, 08:11

I bid 2, good raise. If p bids 2, I would pass, else I would bid NT at the cheapest level, suggesting to play there.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 08:27

View Postthe_clown, on 2011-December-06, 08:11, said:

I bid 2, good raise. If p bids 2, I would pass, else I would bid NT at the cheapest level, suggesting to play there.

Would your later NT bid guarantee stoppers in both diamonds and spades? Suggest stoppers in both? Guarantee one and suggest the other?
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Posted 2011-December-06, 08:50

View PostS2000magic, on 2011-December-06, 08:27, said:

Would your later NT bid guarantee stoppers in both diamonds and spades? Suggest stoppers in both? Guarantee one and suggest the other?


I an not sure how to answer the question fully; but you did have a choice of cuebids -- therefore you bid the one you had something in. So I think that a NT bid would virtually guarantee a diamond stopper.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 08:55

2 to start
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Posted 2011-December-06, 08:55

View PostS2000magic, on 2011-December-06, 07:09, said:

Both sides are vulnerable and LHO opens:

(1) - 1 - (1) - ?

What would you bid with:

Q 10
4 3 2
K 8 7 6 3
A K 10

(Assume whatever methods you want, but please delineate your assumptions. Thanks!)




2d looks like a good start.

general cue tell me more, limit raise very often.

I assume we overcall 1h pretty sound when vul.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 09:16

View PostS2000magic, on 2011-December-06, 08:27, said:

Would your later NT bid guarantee stoppers in both diamonds and spades? Suggest stoppers in both? Guarantee one and suggest the other?

It should certainly guarantee a spade stopper since that is the suit to your right.

I am not sure if we can bid stoppers in spades or diamonds specifically after having supported partner's major. I would take spade and diamond bids after the raise as some kind of trials for 4. But maybe we play a kind of trial bids that more or less means the same as stopper showing.

If you start with a double instead of 2 then you could show stoppers in specific suits by bidding spades or diamond later. But of course you don't double with this hand. 2 is clear.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 09:22

View PostS2000magic, on 2011-December-06, 08:27, said:

Would your later NT bid guarantee stoppers in both diamonds and spades? Suggest stoppers in both? Guarantee one and suggest the other?



with Q10 of , I would not be too worried that ops are taking the first 5 tricks, partner is likely to have something in , especially if opener doesnt raise, or mby support double.

If you could tell me what p will do over 2, It will be easier for me to plan my further bidding.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 11:10

View Posthelene_t, on 2011-December-06, 09:16, said:

I would take spade and diamond bids after the raise as some kind of trials for 4.

I trust that you meant 4, not 4.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 11:11

View Postjmcw, on 2011-December-06, 08:55, said:

2 to start

That's what I bid, but not without misgivings that I was underbidding.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 11:12

View Postmike777, on 2011-December-06, 08:55, said:

I assume we overcall 1h pretty sound when vul.

I assumed the same thing, but we're a new partnership (only our second session together). On this occasion, it was sound.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 11:19

View Postthe_clown, on 2011-December-06, 09:22, said:

If you could tell me what p will do over 2, It will be easier for me to plan my further bidding.

That's problematic here (and, pretty much, the crux of my reason for asking). Partner held:

J 6 2
A K 10 8 7 5
5
Q 3 2

I'd guess he'd have bid 2, but 3 isn't inconceivable (he has better than a minimum overcall, and a sixth heart to boot).
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Posted 2011-December-06, 12:17

For me pard has an easy 2h rebid after 2d no problem yet I pass 2h as east.


This is a minimum vul 1h overcall.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 12:33

I raise 2. I am too weak for 2 cue bid raise.
Subtracting 2 points for Q, 1 point for K, and 1 point for terrible trumps gives me a 8 point hand.

Partner does not have a biddible spade suit(his overcall shows about 10+ hcp or good distribution and with both majors he has either a TO double or a Michaels bid.) Since partner probably has 3 or less, we have 5 or less and the oppenents have a spade fit, and our spades unlikely only good, except possibly on defense.

Partner is also relatively short in as opener and advancer are long

Assuming that partner will reraise to 3 preemptive, on any 6 card suit not suitable for a game try or with a singleton . I intend to defend against opponent contracts, even at two level, if possible, based on the law of total tricks. Of course I will accept a game try from partner.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 12:40

With the posted overcalling hand I expect partner to reraise 3, which I will pass for no cigar.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 13:12

I would definitely cue bid 2 and there is no choice of cue bid as 2 over 1 would be natural and I don't wish to commit us beyond 2 anyway.

As overcaller, I would do more than just 2. But you could still end in 3 if nobody does anything particularly aggressive. If we weren't vulnerable at IMPs, there would definitely be no blame for missing 4.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 21:55

In spite of a few downgrades here based on opp bidding I will be optimistic and start with 2 to end up showing a good raise but I won't hang a PD who cautiously just raises to 2.
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