[billw55]

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Hadn't seen this 3♠ bid before. Any ideas what's going on over there? Some standard thingy I never learned?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Check out my similar auction recently:

http://www.bridgebas...mp-in-new-suit/

And see whereagle's reply ( post # 6 ) .

Partner likes Spades but was flawed for a 1-opener or weak-2 ( or 3 ) open.

[Vampyr]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-December-03, 03:13, said:

Partner likes Spades but was flawed for a 1-opener or weak-2 ( or 3 ) open.

He might not even have these available over a 1♣ opening.

Partner has a good hand and had no suitable action last time, so he probably has about an opening bid with four spades.

[Mbodell]

It smells like a 4=2=2=5 or 4=3=1=5 12-14 point hand.

[gordontd]

If you have suit-quality requirements for an overcall, there's no reason why he can't have a bad five-card suit.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Mbodell, on 2011-December-03, 05:55, said:

It smells like a 4=2=2=5 or 4=3=1=5 12-14 point hand.

gordontd, on 2011-December-03, 06:02, said:

If you have suit-quality requirements for an overcall, there's no reason why he can't have a bad five-card suit.

These make more sense than my first reply.
For some reason partner felt his "good" hand was flawed to make an overcall:
1) wrong shape
2) poor long suit ( 10 x x x x in ♠ )
3) long ♣ suit

But now after the DBL, he feels he doesn't have enough to convert the DBL to penalty.

Something like:
9 x x x x
K J
K x
K Q x x

[Vampyr]

gordontd, on 2011-December-03, 06:02, said:

If you have suit-quality requirements for an overcall, there's no reason why he can't have a bad five-card suit.

Gordon. It's 2011.

[billw55]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-December-03, 03:13, said:

Check out my similar auction recently:

http://www.bridgebas...mp-in-new-suit/

And see whereagle's reply ( post # 6 ) .

Interesting, but that seems quite different; on my auction, partner had the opportunity to over call 1♠.

Mbodell, on 2011-December-03, 05:55, said:

It smells like a 4=2=2=5 or 4=3=1=5 12-14 point hand.

I also considered this, but could think of no reason partner would not just bid 2♠ which is also a jump. After all, I have only balanced, and only over 1♣.

gordontd, on 2011-December-03, 06:02, said:

If you have suit-quality requirements for an overcall, there's no reason why he can't have a bad five-card suit.

This occurred to me as well. On BBO especially it is hard to find anyone who cares about suit quality.

In play, I settled on the theory that partner had more or less a strong NT opener with good spades and no club stop, but not quite enough strength for a badly offshape double. Say, ♠KQJx ♥Kx ♦AQx ♣xxxx. Is this a reasonable theory?

[dwar0123]

I think you can bid 1nt over a minor without the minor stopped.

I think he has 4 spades and clubs stopped and wants you to bid 3nt, 4spades or pass if light.

[the hog]

billw55, on 2011-December-03, 17:17, said:

Interesting, but that seems quite different; on my auction, partner had the opportunity to over call 1♠.



I also considered this, but could think of no reason partner would not just bid 2♠ which is also a jump. After all, I have only balanced, and only over 1♣.



This occurred to me as well. On BBO especially it is hard to find anyone who cares about suit quality.

In play, I settled on the theory that partner had more or less a strong NT opener with good spades and no club stop, but not quite enough strength for a badly offshape double. Say, ♠KQJx ♥Kx ♦AQx ♣xxxx. Is this a reasonable theory?

No, this is an obvious 1S overcall, even for Aunt Milly, is it not?

[billw55]

the hog, on 2011-December-03, 20:06, said:

No, this is an obvious 1S overcall, even for Aunt Milly, is it not?

With a reliable partner, yes. In reality this was a BBO pickup partner, many of whom would sooner jump off a cliff than bid a four card major. Although in fairness, this partner seemed a decent player up to this point, so maybe I should have ruled this hand out.

If 3♠ shows a basic opening hand, then what is 2♠ for?

[Vampyr]

billw55, on 2011-December-04, 12:46, said:

With a reliable partner, yes. In reality this was a BBO pickup partner, many of whom would sooner jump off a cliff than bid a four card major. Although in fairness, this partner seemed a decent player up to this point, so maybe I should have ruled this hand out.

If 3♠ shows a basic opening hand, then what is 2♠ for?

About 8 or 9+, but not as strong as a solid opener.

[phil_20686]

Vampyr, on 2011-December-03, 09:29, said:

Gordon. It's 2011.

Says the lady who thinks partner has bid 3S with a 4 card suit.......

Parther should have a weak two which was in some way unsuitable for a weak two earlier. Should be about 3-7.

JTxxxx
x
Axx
xxx

or something would be typical

[phil_20686]

billw55, on 2011-December-03, 17:17, said:

In play, I settled on the theory that partner had more or less a strong NT opener with good spades and no club stop, but not quite enough strength for a badly offshape double. Say, ♠KQJx ♥Kx ♦AQx ♣xxxx. Is this a reasonable theory?

No - this hand starts with a cue bid.

[billw55]

Vampyr, on 2011-December-04, 15:30, said:

About 8 or 9+, but not as strong as a solid opener.

Interesting ... I thougth the situation was different after a balancing double, as compared to a direct takeout double. Learn something new everyday.

[Vampyr]

phil_20686, on 2011-December-04, 15:38, said:

Parther should have a weak two which was in some way unsuitable for a weak two earlier. Should be about 3-7.

JTxxxx
x
Axx
xxx

or something would be typical

Perhaps the partnership are not playing weak jump overcalls at all; but if not, depending on the vulnerability, which we are not given, this might qualify for a 1♠ overcall.

[billw55]

Vampyr, on 2011-December-04, 17:16, said:

Perhaps the partnership are not playing weak jump overcalls at all; but if not, depending on the vulnerability, which we are not given, this might qualify for a 1♠ overcall.

Vulnerability is all white as shown in the diagram.

It was a pickup partnership, so no hard agreements, but wjo seems pretty standard in such a situation.