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Posted 2011-November-27, 00:35



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Posted 2011-November-27, 04:21

If North made a penalty double with unshown four-card support, no aces, and a probably useless ♠K: North 100%.

If North made a takeout or card-showing double and South left it in with a void: do my percentages have to sum to 100? Obviously South deserves 100%, but North contributed too.
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Posted 2011-November-27, 06:33

I think gnasher has it right. In the first case North deserves 110%, in the second case N has 15% and S 120%.

This post has been edited by gwnn: 2011-November-27, 07:16

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Posted 2011-November-27, 06:36

Why does north get points? Is 5H the correct bid and double bad?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-November-27, 07:15

It's not black and white. 30% is too much though.
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Posted 2011-November-27, 19:27

DBL was neither pure penalty nor pure take out. It showed cards.
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Posted 2011-December-03, 02:46

View PostMrAce, on 2011-November-27, 19:27, said:

It showed cards.

13 of them? Wow!
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Posted 2011-December-12, 06:39

:P WTF is this?
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Posted 2011-December-14, 22:56

The double seems pretty bad - if it's takeout or card showing, you're expecting partner to pull to 5H. With good 4 card support, you could just bid it yourself directly?

Edit: South's pass is obviously complete toss though unless the double was penalties (because then he could hope north has long spades)
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Posted 2011-December-15, 07:57

View PostFree, on 2011-December-03, 02:46, said:

13 of them? Wow!


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Posted 2011-December-15, 10:23

I don't have a problem with the double showing cards. I have a problem with 4 of them being Kxxx of hearts.

How is South supposed to know to pull the double? He may have as many as 3 defensive tricks - 2 hearts and a club. And his spade void should imply that North has some spades.

100% to North.
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Posted 2011-December-16, 09:12

View Postpooltuna, on 2011-December-15, 07:57, said:

Oh! Demonstrating your skill set at making friends again.

If you had just a little tiny amount of intelligence in that head of yours, you would realize that my post was about bridge, my opinion about "card showing" doubles, and who I blame. But I guess that's too difficult for you to understand. Even worse, you aren't even able to respond to the OP's question. You must be so proud of yourself... :rolleyes:
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Posted 2011-December-16, 09:43

Geez.

The 2♠ bid sucks
The 3♥ bid sucks
I like 4♠
Don't like the X.

I blame everyone except W
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Posted 2011-December-16, 09:45

View PostMrAce, on 2011-November-27, 19:27, said:

DBL was neither pure penalty nor pure take out. It showed cards.

Ah..the blame transfer double. This seems to be a dubious decision with an often worthless K♠ and decent 4 card support for partner.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 22:00

View Postjmcw, on 2011-December-16, 09:43, said:

Geez.

The 2♠ bid sucks
The 3♥ bid sucks
I like 4♠
Don't like the X.

I blame everyone except W



What do you suggest instead of 3♥ ? Enlighten us please. I can only think of pass since 4♥ is out of question. And i am sure when it comes back at ya at 4 level you would make the winning bid of 5♥ all by yourself and ta-ramm happy ending, right ? After all when someone opens weak 2 and his pd jumps to 4, he always has 5 card support.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 22:21

View PostMrAce, on 2011-December-19, 22:00, said:

What do you suggest instead of 3♥ ? Enlighten us please. I can only think of pass since 4♥ is out of question. And i am sure when it comes back at ya at 4 level you would make the winning bid of 5♥ all by yourself and ta-ramm happy ending, right ? After all when someone opens weak 2 and his pd jumps to 4, he always has 5 card support.


Ignorance has always been the weapon of tyrants; enlightenment the salvation of the free.

FWIW I would pass 2♠ and pass again. Ofcourse, seeing all hands makes it easier to persuade that 3♥ has some merit.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 23:08

View Postjmcw, on 2011-December-19, 22:21, said:

Ignorance has always been the weapon of tyrants; enlightenment the salvation of the free.

FWIW I would pass 2♠ and pass again. Ofcourse, seeing all hands makes it easier to persuade that 3♥ has some merit.


Fancy quotes dont really make a poor judgement look good. Sorry.

If you think to persuade that 3♥ has "some merits" requires seeing all 4 hands, i strongly suggest you to stop ignoring the cards you hold. Look at them again and free your mind from bean count tyrany ;)

I don't even think a decent player would consider this a close decision by the way.

EDIT: FWIW i would bid 3♥ red vs white too.
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Posted 2011-December-24, 12:08

:P This isn't much of a panel with you asking the question, and Justin and most of his pals off somewhere else. North's double is, quite possibly, the stupidist bid I have ever seen. You don't normally show at or above the 4 spade level; there is so little bidding room left that you usually must determine the contract.
The ♠ king is presumably in the slot, and this is not a good sign. Even so, imho 5♥ is normal with four to the king in support. Passing might work, but it is taking a view.
A double could show 'cards', but only in the sense that don't know what to do and you have to protect your equity in the hand.
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Posted 2011-December-24, 12:26

Hi,

3H is ok.

Double is ok, sry what else?

Ok, we have 4 card support, but we also have th king spades,
usually badly placed and a bal. hand, and partner just ovrcalled
3H, he may have only a 5 carder. Why do I need to go to the
5 level?

Passing the double is also a reasonable decsision, partner never
showed support.

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Posted 2011-December-24, 13:17

Double if it doesn't show four hearts (and I assume it doesn't) is poor.
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