[Cyberyeti]

 whereagles, on 2011-November-12, 06:20, said:

It's actually a non-issue, but ok I'm not going to try and convince you just for the sake of it

It's a non issue in uncontested auctions, but you're guessing completely an awful lot of the time as soon as the next hand WJOs aggressively (we do this systemically on 4 card suits), and have plenty of occasions where cold games are passed out and collecting 50s because neither hand can double as they hold 4 trumps, and nobody knows what the real shapes are. Also I have a large collection of hands where big minor suit fits never get found in similar circumstances after partner raises the WJO.

[whereagles]

So, you're saying 4-card WJO are the doomsday of preparatory 1m bids?

Oh well...

[Cyberyeti]

 whereagles, on 2011-November-13, 03:02, said:

So, you're saying 4-card WJO are the doomsday of preparatory 1m bids?

Oh well...

No, I'm just saying that in my experience, hyper aggressive overcalling over 2 card minors has caused enough stupid (in a good way) results that I think that while the benefit/disadvantage equation of playing 2455 is pretty even, playing 2255 is well below par.

[whereagles]

Well, I fail to see how the alternative, a 3+card minor 1m opening, would fare galactically better. But maybe that's just me.

[Cyberyeti]

 whereagles, on 2011-November-13, 15:35, said:

Well, I fail to see how the alternative, a 3+card minor 1m opening, would fare galactically better. But maybe that's just me.

Maybe, but as somebody who plays a weak no trump with 4+ card minors, we at least have a chance to bid these.