[mike777]

what are responses with 2 or more?


Double
Zero Aces or keycards*

Pass
1 Ace or keycards*

1st Suit
2 Aces or keycards*

2nd Suit
3 Aces or keycards

[Mbodell]

It depends on your agreements (shocking! ).

I like to play that it is more that double is your first step and pass is your second. So playing 1430 then double is 1 or 4 keycards, pass is 0 or 3, 1st step is 2 w/o Q, 2nd step is 2 w/ Q. This makes sense to me. If you were in a straight blackwood/gerber situation then double is 0 (or 4) Aces, pass is 1 Ace, 1st step is 2 Aces, and 2nd step is 3 Aces - which fits with the DOPI name.

I find that more than half of the people I find at partnership desks agree with this reasoning, but not by a big number. I'd assume it undiscussed, but wouldn't be confident, and make a point of discussing it when someone asks "DOPI?".

[mike777]

Mbodell, on 2011-November-09, 03:39, said:

It depends on your agreements (shocking! ).

I like to play that it is more that double is your first step and pass is your second. So playing 1430 then double is 1 or 4 keycards, pass is 0 or 3, 1st step is 2 w/o Q, 2nd step is 2 w/ Q. This makes sense to me. If you were in a straight blackwood/gerber situation then double is 0 (or 4) Aces, pass is 1 Ace, 1st step is 2 Aces, and 2nd step is 3 Aces - which fits with the DOPI name.

I find that more than half of the people I find at partnership desks agree with this reasoning, but not by a big number. I'd assume it undiscussed, but wouldn't be confident, and make a point of discussing it when someone asks "DOPI?".

of course this is not not dop1`


If you agree to this at the partnership desk wow. I mean wow........that is deep.


at partnership desk I try and think of pards name.....you talk about this?

[Mbodell]

mike777, on 2011-November-09, 03:41, said:

of course this is not not dop1`


If you agree to this at the partnership desk wow. I mean wow........that is deep.


I try and think of pards name.....you talk about this?

Usually at the partnership desk I get 20-30 minutes to fill out a card before playing. I agree it would be better to spend more of that time on stylistic tendencies, especially on leads and carding, but generally we follow the ACBL convention card and hit each of the boxes asking about things. So in the slam bidding we'll usually agree to 1430, ask about specific K, Q ask, void showing responses, and DOPI. If someone doesn't play some of that with some of their partners, then fine, I will not play it with them (I.e., don't teach or argue about it), but if they do I'd like to know up front.

And while I know what DOPI stands for, a number of people still call D-14-P-30 DOPI as a name. They wouldn't likely call it double-zero-pass-one, but they would call it DOPI. See bridgehands footnote about advanced players for some corroboration.

[MrAce]

mike777, on 2011-November-09, 03:41, said:

of course this is not not dop1`


If you agree to this at the partnership desk wow. I mean wow........that is deep.


I try and think of pards name.....you talk about this?

I dont think u need to talk this with a pick up pd but i am sure what kind of RKCB responses is talked. It is also DBL = 1st step for me 03 or 14 keycards whatever our responses are then Pass=2nd step and then 2 keycard no Q then 2 kc +Q etc..

[mike777]

MrAce, on 2011-November-09, 04:11, said:

I dont think u need to talk this with a pick up pd but i am sure what kind of RKCB responses is talked. It is also DBL = 1st step for me 03 or 14 keycards whatever our responses are then Pass=2nd step and then 2 keycard no Q then 2 kc +Q etc..

are you sure with your pick up pard ...I mean really?


Ok how often has this come up in the last year with your partnership desk pards in real life?

[Free]

Weird, I always play (like RKC):
Dbl = 0/3
Pass = 1/4
Step 1 = 2 (without trump Q if applicable)
Step 2 = 2 (with trump Q if applicable)

[Zelandakh]

After you agree D0P1 and pass to show 1 or 4, partner's next call is double. How confident are you as to whether this is a queen ask or penalty?

[Free]

Zelandakh, on 2011-November-09, 08:27, said:

After you agree D0P1 and pass to show 1 or 4, partner's next call is double. How confident are you as to whether this is a queen ask or penalty?

Dbl is penalty, the lowest step in a suit (or NT) is Q ask.

[campboy]

Mbodell, on 2011-November-09, 04:11, said:

And while I know what DOPI stands for, a number of people still call D-14-P-30 DOPI as a name. They wouldn't likely call it double-zero-pass-one, but they would call it DOPI. See bridgehands footnote about advanced players for some corroboration.

I don't understand why anyone playing that wouldn't at least say "reverse DOPI" to avoid misunderstandings.

[aguahombre]

Zelandakh, on 2011-November-09, 08:27, said:

After you agree D0P1 and pass to show 1 or 4, partner's next call is double. How confident are you as to whether this is a queen ask or penalty?

Free, on 2011-November-09, 08:55, said:

Dbl is penalty, the lowest step in a suit (or NT) is Q ask.

It occurred to me immediately that Zel must have been attempting humor, subtle though it was.

The opponents have interferred and responder's pass shows we are missing two keys. The interference is beyond what we can make. So they get to play it undoubled?

[MrAce]

mike777, on 2011-November-09, 04:50, said:

are you sure with your pick up pard ...I mean really?


Ok how often has this come up in the last year with your partnership desk pards in real life?

Mike, here are the quick things u speak to a pick up pd

Name of system, 0314 or 1403, your methods vs their 1NT, carding. Assuming that i play with someone at my level or close, i would also assume that DOPI ROPI are standart. I dont speak with them about dopi/ropi as well as i dont speak if we play stayman/transfer over NT. I would expect him to apply DOPI just like our agreed 0314 or 1403 steps. Whether my expectation was accurate or not will be known at the end of the hand.

[aguahombre]

MrAce, on 2011-November-09, 16:47, said:

I would expect him to apply DOPI just like our agreed 0314 or 1403 steps.

O.K., It would never occur to me that DOP1 meant D1PO. But I guess, hooked on phonics has disadvantages.

[Phil]

Dips and Rips are std.

[aguahombre]

Phil, on 2011-November-09, 17:03, said:

Dips and Rips are std.

That would work ..Double 1st, Pass Second...or Redouble 1st, Pass Second

[Zelandakh]

aguahombre, on 2011-November-09, 09:52, said:

It occurred to me immediately that Zel must have been attempting humor, subtle though it was.

The opponents have interferred and responder's pass shows we are missing two keys. The interference is beyond what we can make. So they get to play it undoubled?

You guys spoil my fun sometimes.

[gwnn]

I like pedo, or dope. both have positive connotations and they always allow us to double them.

[Free]

gwnn, on 2011-November-10, 03:48, said:

I like pedo, or dope. both have positive connotations and they always allow us to double them.

"pedo" has a positive connotation???

[gwnn]

gwnn said:

I like pedo, or dope. both have positive connotations and they always allow us to double them.

FMP.

[Lurpoa]

Free, on 2011-November-10, 04:15, said:

"pedo" has a positive connotation???

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