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That dreadful 8-5.

#1 User is offline   elvinueza 

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Posted 2011-November-09, 01:13

So this hand came up in last night's duplicate.

AKJ109xxx
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J109xx
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Sweet. I'm north. East opens the bidding with 1. I bid 1(what would you have bid?). West bids 4 and my partner doubles. East passes and it's my turn to bid.

We're vulnerable and they're not.

What do i need for a slam? The right high cards, and pretty much nothing else does the job. The right high cards would make a grand too, of course.
If my partner doesn't have them, i'm going down. Definitely not much of a defensive hand, but i don't want to be the overambitious one.

So obviously i freak out, i bid 4, West doubles, I redouble (still unsure of my 4) and they all pass. Geez, that was easier than I thought.
I make +2 and feel bad about myself.
This is what my partner held:

xx
J109x
Ax
AKxxx

Ruff the heart lead, play the diamonds. Play trumps once (they're 2-1), ruff the third (they're 3-3) and i'm home. I'm not even sure if playing 6 it's the right thing to do (if diamonds are 4-2, i've got to rely on the short diamond hand to have shortness in ; 0-3 sets me).

Well guys. How would you have bid this monster?
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Posted 2011-November-09, 03:04

I like 1 and 4. I don't like XX as you may be -1 and turn a good board into a bad one (if they have 4 and most of the field is sacrificing in 4X), or more likely if they believe you they may well run to 5 rather than let you play 4XX when it makes.
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Posted 2011-November-09, 03:12

redouble is risky but it worked, note that partner doubled 4, if that's for penalty, chances of them running are petty low. Not an expert on this scores, did you beat slams doubled?

I don't see an alternative to 1 unless you play some conventional 4 bid, and if partner's double of 4 is take out I would bid more than 4.
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Posted 2011-November-09, 03:24

View PostFluffy, on 2011-November-09, 03:12, said:

did you beat slams doubled?


NV: 4S XX + 2 is 4*120 + 100 (insult) + 300 (game bonus) + 2*200 (per overtrick) = 1280,
6SX = is 2*(180) + 50 (insult) + 300 (game bonus) + 500 (slam bonus) = 1210

V: 4S XX + 2 = 1880 (only differences are 500 game bonus and 400 per overtrick)
6S X = = 1660 (only differences are 500 game bonus and 750 slam bonus)

However 6SXX will beat both of these.
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Posted 2011-November-09, 04:24

You bid perfectly and scored a bunch. Nothing more to say.
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Posted 2011-November-09, 10:08

View Postelvinueza, on 2011-November-09, 01:13, said:

Sweet. I'm north. East opens the bidding with 1. I bid 1(what would you have bid?). West bids 4 and my partner doubles. East passes and it's my turn to bid.


So the bidding has gone:-
E - S - W - N
1H - p - p - 1S
p - p - 4H - p
p - x - p - p
p - p - p - ?

Hmmmm, I think I am calling the TD as there appear to have been 5 passes in a row...
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Posted 2011-November-09, 10:11

View Postelvinueza, on 2011-November-09, 01:13, said:

I'm north. East opens the bidding with 1. I bid 1(what would you have bid?). West bids 4 and my partner doubles. East passes and it's my turn to bid.

How many calls out of turn have there been?
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Posted 2011-November-09, 14:08

I would never redouble with this hand red/white. It seems any slam with this 8-5 is a shot in the dark and your +1190 for two overs is a great score. As it was, slam was touch and go even with all of these primes across. Redoubling says, yeah please sac while I collect my 500 (maybe).

The colors to redouble is w/r when you have a little defense too. There is substantial upside when you make, and if they run, you get a nice number too.
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Posted 2011-November-09, 15:07

you need to make life tough on the opps after they open 1 cause you can be sure they are going to make life hard for you ASAP at these colors. So an immediate 4 is your best shot to buy the contract while making it as difficult as possible for them to figure out if a sac makes sense.
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